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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Mar 25, 2019 10:30:22 GMT -5
My younger sister and her husband inherited about 6 chickens when their son had to sell his house and move. They are very kind hearted people and would have kept their girls in an honorable retirement after their egg laying days were over. Friday while they were gone a free roaming pit bull came up to the chicken pen. The door was held closed by a broomstick run through the handles. The pit bull bit the stick in half and went in and slaughtered the pet chickens. One was left mostly defeathered and maimed and came stumbling up to Larry when he came to check on them. Regrettably he had to end his pet. This was all caught on the neighbors security camera. The pit had already wiped out a flock of free ranging chickens in the neighborhood. Larry took the video to the dog owner and showed it to him. The dog owner didn't offer to compensate him nor did he say that he would fence in the dog. Suppose my sister had caught the dog in the act and tried to run him off? Just how would he react?
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Post by brownrexx on Mar 25, 2019 10:53:12 GMT -5
The dog owner didn't offer to compensate him nor did he say that he would fence in the dog. Oh, you don't know how I hate that kind of stuff. Several years ago we had some special ducks in a fenced enclosure on our own 4 acre property and while we were at work a neighbor's Husky came into our yard and killed and maimed 2 out of 4 of them and the other 2 were missing. Another neighbor had seen the dog and I called the owner and completely told her off. She offered to pay damages and we took the maimed duck to a wildlife vet and sent her a bill for $300 which she immediately paid. She also went all around the area on her own initiative and located the other 2 unharmed ducks in a local pond so we collected them and donated them to a farmer who had a pond. The neighbor also got rid of her dog. It turns out that she was letting it out in the mornings and sometimes going to work and letting it roam. Later she got another big dog and one day I found him on my deck looking in the window. I called her and called her irresponsible and told her that if it happened again that I was going to shoot it for my own protection. Needless to say we are not friends. You should report it to either the police or the local township office. I was told that if a dog destroys someone else's property (including injuring pets) that the owner is responsible and that they may be forced to either get rid of the dog or put up a fence of a certain height to protect the neighbors. Maybe there are big fines too but I forget. I would not let this irresponsible pet owner get away with this. In my case other neighbors thanked me since they had felt threatened by this dog on numerous occasions when it had entered their yards. They were concerned for children playing outside.
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Post by octave1 on Mar 25, 2019 11:15:48 GMT -5
Larry needs to take the neighbor to court. 6 chickens at $50 each = $300, plus court filing fees. He has enough evidence to win the case. Furthermore, his dogs will be flagged as "vicious", and next time they attack they will be taken away from him.
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Post by hairymooseknuckles on Mar 25, 2019 12:54:50 GMT -5
I love my dogs, but you must be a responsible owner. It's their job to keep them off others property and not left to run loose.
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Post by carolyn on Mar 25, 2019 14:54:18 GMT -5
If you want them replaced tell them you expect that to happen. if not don't press the money issue but do press the "roaming dog and it will be shot if it is on my property again" issue. totally irresponsible pet owner. and call the sheriff or dog warden and report this. if there is no reports of this happening on record the owner can say it never happened before... over and over and over.
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Post by brownrexx on Mar 25, 2019 15:07:34 GMT -5
next time they attack they will be taken away from him. I don't think that they would even wait for another attack to make him either fence the dog or it would be taken away. You are not allowed to just let dogs run loose.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Mar 25, 2019 15:31:17 GMT -5
If you want them replaced tell them you expect that to happen. if not don't press the money issue but do press the "roaming dog and it will be shot if it is on my property again" issue. totally irresponsible pet owner. and call the sheriff or dog warden and report this. if there is no reports of this happening on record the owner can say it never happened before... over and over and over. Security video caught the entire crime.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Mar 25, 2019 15:36:02 GMT -5
next time they attack they will be taken away from him. I don't think that they would even wait for another attack to make him either fence the dog or it would be taken away. You are not allowed to just let dogs run loose. My thoughts also but if I decide to run their lives, they might return the favor. In Larry’s defense he is out of town on business a lot and my sister is by herself for days at a time.
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Post by carolyn on Mar 25, 2019 15:59:44 GMT -5
If you want them replaced tell them you expect that to happen. if not don't press the money issue but do press the "roaming dog and it will be shot if it is on my property again" issue. totally irresponsible pet owner. and call the sheriff or dog warden and report this. if there is no reports of this happening on record the owner can say it never happened before... over and over and over. Security video caught the entire crime. even if the crime was taped if it is not reported it is a moot issue. what happens if the next time it is a person or your family and the attack could have been prevented. the dog should not be running loose.
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Post by spike on Mar 25, 2019 16:01:33 GMT -5
I do not understand letting dogs just run. To clarify, we fenced in an acre so our pups can run amok and be dogs BUT they are never ever ever outside on their own. They love to go run and play but only when we are with them. One broken fence, one open gate is all it takes and we are concerned about their health and welfare also.
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Post by carolyn on Mar 25, 2019 16:05:26 GMT -5
I do not understand letting dogs just run. To clarify, we fenced in an acre so our pups can run amok and be dogs BUT they are never ever ever outside on their own. They love to go run and play but only when we are with them. One broken fence, one open gate is all it takes and we are concerned about their health and welfare also. Mine has gotten out a few time unbeknownst to me. I arrived home to find her having a fine time running in and out. Sheesh! it happened just on Saturday again. we were even all here. I was in the greenhouse and kevin was pruning trees and one of the sons loading equipment another helping with the trees and here she comes trotting over from the neighbors. WHAAAAT? I have no idea how she got out. all the doors were closed unless she snuck out when a door was open and it was closed behind her.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Mar 25, 2019 16:16:53 GMT -5
Once utility workers left my back gate open. My previous boxer decided to walk herself around our route. When I got home and discovered this I got the leash and went to the car. Right then a neighbor from a block away came driving up with Trudy sitting in the back seat like she had phoned an Uber.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Mar 25, 2019 23:08:56 GMT -5
mgulfcoastguy, if the owner of the chicken-killing dog had taken responsibility by offering to pay for the chickens and secure the dog, I would say to drop it. But in this case it doesn't sound like the owner is going to do anything to secure the animal and prevent this from happening to others' animals, or even to people. Some people have a blind spot and just don't believe that their precious baby can do any wrong...until they do. And others just don't seem to accept that securing their animals is their responsibility. Dogs that are allowed to roam like that can get wilder and more dangerous over time. Years ago when one of my nieces was 8 or 9, there was a dog roaming her neighborhood. Neighbors had complained about the dog growling at people and chasing and snapping at kids on their bikes, but the owner didn't do anything. One day the dog attacked my niece as she was walking down the street, one house down from her own. (And no, she was not in the dog's yard or even in front of the dog's yard - the dog's owner lived a few houses farther down.) She ended up with over 50 stitches, and she could easily have been killed if she had not had a friend with her to run for help. Thank God she had the presence of mind to wrap her arms around her head and neck, because most of the damage the dog did was to her upper arms while trying to get at her face and neck. It took two adults with pitchforks actually wounding the dog to get it to quit attacking her and run off. The dog was put down and my sister and BIL sued for medical costs and pain and suffering, and got a settlement. But no amount of money fixes the trauma a child goes through from being attacked like that. And if my niece had died, no amount of money would have brought her back. So, I am firmly of the opinion that if the owner is not going to secure that dog, I would absolutely report it. That dog is a repeat chicken-killer, and seems to have killed those birds for the fun of killing - not out of hunger. (If it had killed and eaten one chicken at a time, I might think it was just hungry.) That to me says it's a potentially dangerous animal.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Mar 25, 2019 23:41:23 GMT -5
As I said I can’t live my sisters life for her. She is not a child and she didn’t even tell me about this, mom did. If she asks me I will give my advice but we are very different people.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Mar 26, 2019 10:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on May 12, 2019 21:51:07 GMT -5
Well my sister is supposed to get her replacement chicks today. I don't know exactly what type though she seemed to like Barred Rocks and Rhode Island Reds though we talked about several other varieties. She was leaning toward getting 2 of each variety that she picked be it a total of 6 or 8 chicks. I mentioned this thread to her and her husband said that he hadn't seen the pit bull in a while. Locked up? Given away? Ate the wrong persons chickens? Only the Shadow knows.
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Post by paquebot on May 13, 2019 0:39:19 GMT -5
Love the choice of replacement chicks. Barred Rocks and Rhode Island Reds take me back 70 years to our farm combos. Want to make a strange impression on the neighbors who own the dog? Mention that dog meat is really good and that you might welcome the chance at an opportunity to enjoy it.
Martin
The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by brownrexx on May 13, 2019 7:57:56 GMT -5
One of my hens is a Barred Rock and I love that old timey look. For those of you won don't know what a Barred Rock looks like - the striped one in the front is Rocky. I think that they call it a heritage breed. If you are wondering what they are doing, they are taking a communal dust bath and then they will lay in the sun together. 20180401_163826 by Brownrexx, on Flickr
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on May 20, 2019 18:16:22 GMT -5
They ended up with 14 Rhode Island Reds.
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Post by brownrexx on May 20, 2019 19:22:09 GMT -5
They are supposed to be really reliable egg layers of brown eggs.
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Post by bestofour on May 20, 2019 20:04:48 GMT -5
Where I live there is no leash law and yes, you can let your dogs run wild, and no matter how many times the police are called nothing is done. I know people say their pit bull is sweet but I've heard too many stories to trust them with live stock or people.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on May 21, 2019 7:17:39 GMT -5
One of my hens is a Barred Rock and I love that old timey look. For those of you won don't know what a Barred Rock looks like - the striped one in the front is Rocky. I think that they call it a heritage breed. If you are wondering what they are doing, they are taking a communal dust bath and then they will lay in the sun together. 20180401_163826 by Brownrexx, on Flickr Yes, Barred Rocks are a Heritage Breed as are Rhode Island Reds. My first flock were Production Reds a hybrid of Rhode Islands and Leghorns to increase their egg laying production. They were castoffs from a farmer who was wanting a specific breed. I wanted purebreds as well but I was happy to have a flock to call my own. The next year I ordered 100 Barred Rock chicks. They are a good Dual Purpose breed laying large brown eggs but can also be used for meat. Later on, I got away from them and into more exotic breeds for Show but if what you want is consistent production and a quiet fowl, either of these breeds are good.
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Post by brownrexx on May 21, 2019 8:01:45 GMT -5
I started mine as chicks that I purchased from a man who had a flock of them. They were absolutely adorable. I gave away all but one of them. 2 of them turned out to be roosters and I gave them away with a hen to people who wanted pairs. I don't like to keep more than 10 - 12 hens because I don't sell eggs.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on May 25, 2019 0:24:18 GMT -5
One of my hens is a Barred Rock and I love that old timey look. For those of you won don't know what a Barred Rock looks like - the striped one in the front is Rocky. I think that they call it a heritage breed. If you are wondering what they are doing, they are taking a communal dust bath and then they will lay in the sun together. 20180401_163826 by Brownrexx, on Flickr When we had turkeys they would take a dust bath in a fire ant mound. Supposedly the Formic acid would rid them of mites. The dumb duck would then lay her eggs on the ant mound.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:11:21 GMT -5
The laws vary from state to state, but where I live dogs running loose that chase or harm livestock may be shot on sight. I have put down several dogs, and my neighbor, a fellow who makes his living on his farm, carries a very flat-shooting rifle for long distance kills.
One dog can be bad, two are worse, but three loose dogs are a pack and become dangerous. One fellow I knew lost 9 calves in one night. Torn-off tails were common. There is little wonder that ranchers kill stray dogs.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Jun 23, 2019 12:37:06 GMT -5
For an update, 12 of the 14 chicks survived which isn't bad. There must be a hawk cruising by because they will randomly panic and flee for their house. They love watermelon leftovers. They discovered something new when I stuck a carrot into the wire of their cage, it looked like a school of piranhas. One of the 12 looks a bit different, a crossbreed I expect.
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Post by mgulfcoastguy on Jun 23, 2019 12:40:23 GMT -5
The laws vary from state to state, but where I live dogs running loose that chase or harm livestock may be shot on sight. I have put down several dogs, and my neighbor, a fellow who makes his living on his farm, carries a very flat-shooting rifle for long distance kills. One dog can be bad, two are worse, but three loose dogs are a pack and become dangerous. One fellow I knew lost 9 calves in one night. Torn-off tails were common. There is little wonder that ranchers kill stray dogs. Some of my cousins and uncles are still farmers. It is sad how many dogs get dumped out to "find a nice home in the country". When they get desperate enough to try for calves they usually meet their maker. Unfortunately the humans get off scot free.
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Post by hairymooseknuckles on Jun 24, 2019 9:29:13 GMT -5
I love chickens. We've raised Barred Rock, RIR's, Dominickers, Silver Laced Wyandotte, Gold Laced Wyandotte, Marans, and a few others. Coons & Skunks were our biggest problem. Putting eggs in an incubator and hatching them were the biggest thrill for Me & Mom. The wife no likey Chickens.
If you've never hatched quail, that is something you really should do. Those are the most adorable, tiny, fast moving critters you've ever seen.
Back around 2003, the powers that be made it a hassle to keep chickens. They had to come out and inspect your birds every so often. I bought 2 dozen RIR chickens from the local feed store and they didn't provide a certificate of origin. Talk about a hastle. The inspector that came out was a double ought (dumb donkey) in plain language. He had me go back to feed store and try to force them to give me a certificate. Of course like me, they were clueless about what he wanted. FINALLY, we were able to provide him with enough paperwork for him to "inspect" them. I gave up on raising chickens.
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Post by carolyn on Jun 24, 2019 9:57:22 GMT -5
I love chickens. We've raised Barred Rock, RIR's, Dominickers, Silver Laced Wyandotte, Gold Laced Wyandotte, Marans, and a few others. Coons & Skunks were our biggest problem. Putting eggs in an incubator and hatching them were the biggest thrill for Me & Mom. The wife no likey Chickens. If you've never hatched quail, that is something you really should do. Those are the most adorable, tiny, fast moving critters you've ever seen. Back around 2003, the powers that be made it a hassle to keep chickens. They had to come out and inspect your birds every so often. I bought 2 dozen RIR chickens from the local feed store and they didn't provide a certificate of origin. Talk about a hastle. The inspector that came out was a double ought (dumb donkey) in plain language. He had me go back to feed store and try to force them to give me a certificate. Of course like me, they were clueless about what he wanted. FINALLY, we were able to provide him with enough paperwork for him to "inspect" them. I gave up on raising chickens. oyvey! if he wasn't from the dept of AG even he probably didn't know what he was asking for nor any of the people who made the stupid new rules!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 13:50:40 GMT -5
Just saw this thread. Seems to me that a brother told me that Texas put in these new rules to protect the commercial growers from diseases spread by birds. They will of course play the devil trying to stop people from hatching eggs from their own flock.
Do any of you Texans know whether the inspector will check your flock for disease? I once was a certified Poultry Improvement Program tester, but it was a pointless pursuit for me. In OK I could sell anything I could hatch, and so could all others.
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