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Post by gixxerific on Oct 2, 2012 15:19:00 GMT -5
I don't know if volunteer garlic is the right wording. But these came up by themselves. If you look at this row and it is a definite row, I believe this is the same area I had bubils in this spring. This row here even starts about the same place the bubils since they didn't go the entire width of the garden. But there are several other patches of these in different spots as well. Also my bubils all died early this spring for some reason. The other patches all look the same so that has me rethinking the bubil idea. When dug up they are definitely not a single bulb but a grouping of cloves all with their own separate root system. I'm not really sure what to do with them. Should I dig them up and carefully replant them. There might be 70+ separate plants here. Will they grow like a normal garlic clove. I am assuming they will. I had this last year and left them in clumps and they withered and died. I even thought about trying a few in pots which I am sure I will I have more than enough garlic to plant so If I ripped all these out I wouldn't be out much in reality. So first off what are these, is this what happens when you miss a bulb? Is this what happens when you plant Bubils? This is my first year trying bubils so I am not sure what to expect. The other patches might be bubils that fell off during harvest. Finally what should I do with these? Thanks, Dono These pics aren't the greatest if needed I can get better ones, again thanks.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Oct 2, 2012 16:37:59 GMT -5
I just found some of these today, and they looked more like scallions than garlic or shallots, as they were round. Only thing I can think of is that they are some scallion roots that had gotten deep into the soil, so when I turned the row over, they ended up close to the surface, and popped out! Every year I get scallions pop up where I hadn't grown them for a long time, but since I have grown them everywhere at one time or another, I figure this is what happens.
I do miss garlic sometimes, and know this whensee them while I do the turning right after harvest, but I pull that out and use it, if I can! The worst year was when I grew softneck (the only time!), and we had a bad rain, rotting the tops before it was time to harvest, so I just had to guess where they were. I had a LOT of volunteers that fall, and the next season!
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Post by gixxerific on Oct 2, 2012 17:08:17 GMT -5
This is defanitly garlic. I'm just wondering why they are separate cloves.
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Post by paquebot on Oct 2, 2012 20:23:33 GMT -5
You've got separate cloves because you left a bulb in the ground. Each clove becomes a separate plant.
Martin
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Post by izzy on Oct 2, 2012 20:30:06 GMT -5
What you have is "garlic rounds". Bulbils that dropped to the ground, self-seeded, form a small garlic that look like a small onion. Those look like some healthy rounds. Dig them up, and either use just like regular garlic, or store them until your normal garlic planting time. Planting rounds next season will result in regular garlic - with cloves - same as planting cloves from mature garlic.
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Post by gixxerific on Oct 2, 2012 20:47:59 GMT -5
Awesome that is what I wanted to hear.
There is a ton of them I have even ripped many out just to see them. I can tell the differant variety's I will dig these up carefully and replant. I am going to have a ton of garlic to plant this year. I still have a bunch left for seed and a bunch to eat.
Time for a roasted garlic cook off.
Garlic rounds that sound familiar, I'm still a bit wet behind the ears with garlic but getting close to an expert.
Thanks
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Post by izzy on Oct 2, 2012 21:13:15 GMT -5
Glad to help. I'm not, and never will be, a garlic expert. The only garlic I can grow down here is the silverskins (softnecks) from the grocery store. Doesn't make sense to order seed stock when I can't grow those fancy hardnecks. Waaaaa!
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Post by gixxerific on Oct 3, 2012 9:02:35 GMT -5
Thanks I am hoping these are bubils but still wondering why they are in clumps. They normally produce a single bulb or round. If my thinking is correct.
You should be able to plant the second year as you do garlic. Which should produce regular albeit smaller bulbs. Planting the cloves of these should produce a normal sized climatized bulb. This is a way to bring back a variety that has stared to lose it's essence.
Bubils are also disease free it you garlic succombs to disease this is a way to right that.
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Post by kctomato on Oct 3, 2012 11:25:23 GMT -5
It is likely that small lateral bulbs ('bulbel' in attached pic) formed off the base plate of a mature bulb of garlic. Some varieties do this more than others. When the main bulbs were dug up, some of those small lateral bulbs broke loose and remained in the soil clustered together. I find this happens to a particular variety of elephant garlic more than others and I always miss a few of those bulbuls each year. A similar effect can happen if bulbils form clustered together on top of a scape and fall to the ground in close proximity. As Izzy mentioned you can dig them up, space them apart this fall and next summer they will form "regular" garlic bulbs. When I have done this the bulbs & their individual cloves the next season tend to be somewhat smaller than one might expect for a given variety. But if you dig these smaller ones (spring 2013), replant in fall of 2013, then those cloves are more likely to produce to full potential in 2014. I kind of like the small cloves. They are nice to have when one wants to add just a small amount of fresh garlic. (bulbil/bulbel/bulbul - my phone autocorrect prefers "bulbul" but each spelling can be found in literature. I suspect one might be plural.) Attachments:
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Post by paquebot on Oct 3, 2012 20:58:21 GMT -5
Lateral bulbs/corms are common among leeks. You'll find them quite often with elephant garlic but very seldom with regular garlic.
In the OP's picture, there were either mature bulbs left in the ground or a multiple number of bulbils were planted/dropped in one spot. No single bulbil will ever produce multiple plants. And, clusters of plants will invariably only produce small rounds.
Martin
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Post by swamper on Dec 7, 2013 9:54:47 GMT -5
I always get a few coming up in spring from scape/bulbils that i cut and threw on the ground. I enjoy eating them, and wouldn't bother with growing them out, unless you're really short on garlic.
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Post by redneckplanter on Dec 12, 2013 22:12:17 GMT -5
good luck bro!smiles
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Post by gixxerific on Jan 7, 2014 16:56:47 GMT -5
well it's a year plus later but i should tell you all whatever the heck you want to call what I started off with I ended up with full garlic bulbs. Sorry no pics but they ended up normal size as they should have. Though a bit smaller the same as everything this year due to weather.
Thanks for all the help.
Dono
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Post by coppice on Jan 21, 2014 9:24:21 GMT -5
I think some bulbils got away from you. If you replant them baby garlics next spring they'll be bigger.
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Post by indigogirl17 on Jun 26, 2017 18:38:57 GMT -5
Are these different from garlic chives...a friends just gave me a bunch of those?
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Post by mjc26250 on Jun 26, 2017 22:39:26 GMT -5
Yes, these are very different than garlic chives. These are alternate means of propagating true garlic (alternate to splitting a bulb and planting each clove).
Garlic chives are a completely different species than garlic.
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Post by indigogirl17 on Jun 27, 2017 8:54:15 GMT -5
thank you for this information. The thing I lvoe about gardening is that it is a continual learning process...and i love everyone here as they help educate
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