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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 20, 2013 1:15:28 GMT -5
hoping to lure paquebot out with this?smiles and ya'lls input....as well? I been dropping roja and geman garlic cloves..some creole red too.... rolling the dice on the seed garlics... but I've already dropped 2000 or so bulbuils of Georgia crystal...Georgian garlic and a few others... I've read online....[with no practical experience] that if grown from bulbuils some garlics will adapt to the area ? resseded over a few seasons as the rounds are replanted? another question is what kind of growth can one expect? the onions I dropped in da supersoil were smoking awesome.nice size though dropped late last season. if the weather cooperates and I get some cool vernaralizing weather? next spring in the supersoil what could happen? will my bulbuils be bigger than normal?2 years instead of 3? what will the seed garlic do? they were some nice size cloves..... the red creole has been out a week or 10 days or so....starting to show shoots. the soil is manure and rotted leaves.beautiful stuff. will it affect the garlic?in size>? I have also read that a mild garlic may change it's taste profile depending on the weather and vice versa? flying blind here with multiple experiments..... and yes I've read most hardnecks hate the texas coast...grins wouldn't be fun if I followed the herd ? rotfl
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 20, 2013 1:16:32 GMT -5
durganski bulbuils...that was the other one and purple glazer....
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Post by materman on Nov 20, 2013 9:00:10 GMT -5
Sorry redneck but I have never planted garlic bulblets before, so I can't help you much. I have seen the bulblets off my elephant garlic grow up voluntarily, and they took two years to make anything of size. I dropped over 500 cloves,but it sounds like you got me beat. Let us know on the outcome, Mark.
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 20, 2013 14:28:59 GMT -5
Sorry redneck but I have never planted garlic bulblets before, so I can't help you much. I have seen the bulblets off my elephant garlic grow up voluntarily, and they took two years to make anything of size. I dropped over 500 cloves,but it sounds like you got me beat. Let us know on the outcome, Mark. thas a lotta cloves bro! you may have carpal planters syndrome? grins
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Post by materman on Nov 20, 2013 16:14:20 GMT -5
Sorry redneck but I have never planted garlic bulblets before, so I can't help you much. I have seen the bulblets off my elephant garlic grow up voluntarily, and they took two years to make anything of size. I dropped over 500 cloves,but it sounds like you got me beat. Let us know on the outcome, Mark. thas a lotta cloves bro! you may have carpal planters syndrome? grins i must say, that is a small amount for me. I use to grow almost an acre of it for resale. The 500 cloves doesn't take in the about 200 shallot bulbs as well. So yes I got a few. Do have a bunch of bulblets off the elephant garlic if someone is actually in need.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 21, 2013 2:35:37 GMT -5
I did a study of roughly 75 hardneck varieties. Several scapes were left to mature so as to determine which type of bulbil they had. There are basically 3 types. Smallest (-) are like grain of wheat or thereabouts. They take 3 year to produce a divided bulb. Middle size (o) is just a little smaller than a pea and takes 2 years for a divided bulb. Largest (+) are larger than a pea and will usually produce a divided bulb in one year. Georgian Crystal is (-) on my sheet. Thus it will normally take 3 years to become a divided bulb. They will never become larger bulbils since it's locked into the type. It would be like asking a porcelain to become a rocambole.
What may happen is that you growing conditions may result in larger initial rounds. That is, you may get marble-size the first year rather than pea-size. Then you may eventually get much larger divided bulbs in the third year.
Martin
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Post by izitmidnight on Nov 21, 2013 8:07:45 GMT -5
I did a study of roughly 75 hardneck varieties. Several scapes were left to mature so as to determine which type of bulbil they had. There are basically 3 types. Smallest (-) are like grain of wheat or thereabouts. They take 3 year to produce a divided bulb. Middle size (o) is just a little smaller than a pea and takes 2 years for a divided bulb. Largest (+) are larger than a pea and will usually produce a divided bulb in one year. Georgian Crystal is (-) on my sheet. Thus it will normally take 3 years to become a divided bulb. They will never become larger bulbils since it's locked into the type. It would be like asking a porcelain to become a rocambole. What may happen is that you growing conditions may result in larger initial rounds. That is, you may get marble-size the first year rather than pea-size. Then you may eventually get much larger divided bulbs in the third year. Martin Wow, what great information to know! I wondered why some took longer but having grown bulbils only twice, hadn't put it together.
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Post by materman on Nov 21, 2013 11:28:12 GMT -5
I did a study of roughly 75 hardneck varieties. Several scapes were left to mature so as to determine which type of bulbil they had. There are basically 3 types. Smallest (-) are like grain of wheat or thereabouts. They take 3 year to produce a divided bulb. Middle size (o) is just a little smaller than a pea and takes 2 years for a divided bulb. Largest (+) are larger than a pea and will usually produce a divided bulb in one year. Georgian Crystal is (-) on my sheet. Thus it will normally take 3 years to become a divided bulb. They will never become larger bulbils since it's locked into the type. It would be like asking a porcelain to become a rocambole. What may happen is that you growing conditions may result in larger initial rounds. That is, you may get marble-size the first year rather than pea-size. Then you may eventually get much larger divided bulbs in the third year. Martin Indeed that was some good info and the last part I believe to be particularly true. For ones growing conditions will effect the size of the "rounds". This was the first year I planted rounds off of conventional garlic. Had some Chinese White that I had just let go in a bed for a couple years and when I dug it up, there was several rounds that were big marble size. Now my Elephant garlic (leek) will make some big rounds out of the very small cloves the first year. I planted some this year that were tennis ball sized rounds. Planted them in the best location for I think they have the potential to form into one massive bulb.
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 21, 2013 11:39:29 GMT -5
loving all this garlicstravaganza stuff. thanks you guys reading this all with a bisquit to sopp it all up.smiles
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 21, 2013 11:43:39 GMT -5
I have red creole and some baker creek onions planted in some of the macerating leaves. I made 3 super raised manure and leaf mega rows to put 2000 of the bulbils in.back planted that on the edges with some roja. I made 2 mega rows yesterday in the orchard .primarily a leaf mixture with some composted corn silage mix. going to be interesting to say the least. if the hardnecks make here.....I plan on eventually marketing the surplus with luck. I tried some roja the other day...had some heat to it...then the most marvelous aftertaste. would ya'lls laugh if I said it was complex? kind of a warm nutty spicy taste to my palate......
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Post by paquebot on Nov 21, 2013 15:00:05 GMT -5
In the case of rocambole types, even the smallest bulbils usually divide in one year. In 2011 I planted 560 Martin's as large, medium, and small. Even the smallest ones produced divided bulbs and only about ¼" smaller than those from the largest. Largest one-year bulbs were obtained from Bavarian and George but they also were from bulbils as big as marbles.
Martin
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 27, 2013 9:02:01 GMT -5
a few bulbils on first row are popping up.lol teeeeeeeeeeeeeeny.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 27, 2013 23:16:18 GMT -5
They do grow fast. Larger ones may have a green tip for months while just waiting for soil moisture to get them started. I've kept them for a year in that state. Within a week of planting, they emerge if the temperature and moisture are to their liking.
Martin
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Post by izitmidnight on Nov 28, 2013 12:55:43 GMT -5
That explains why it took so long for my bulbils to grow.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 28, 2013 22:52:30 GMT -5
There's another thing which I haven't proved yet but I'm certain that I've some bulbils which did not come up the first year but waited until the following year. That only applied to those varieties which had very small bulbils. They were from a number of varieties received from Canada and were planted in large pots so that they could be easily separated. After sorting out all of the rounds, the pots were emptied in a bed which never had garlic before. Next spring, there were many small volunteers which could not have come from any other source.
Martin
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Post by sanantonio on Nov 29, 2013 9:44:15 GMT -5
I planted bulbils from german hardnecks for the first time this year. They are up along with all the rest of the garlic. Extremely curious to see what they look like next year. My bulbils were all pea sized.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 29, 2013 15:29:25 GMT -5
Pea-size should give a divided bulb. Size would depend upon the variety but generally figure for about 1¼". There's also a chance that it would be that large but a solid round. When those are planted back, a huge bulb is very likely produced.
Martin
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 30, 2013 18:25:01 GMT -5
get er done ya'lls.....
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Post by redneckplanter on Nov 30, 2013 18:28:01 GMT -5
I planted bulbils from german hardnecks for the first time this year. They are up along with all the rest of the garlic. Extremely curious to see what they look like next year. My bulbils were all pea sized. that's about where mine were san Antonio...smiles keep us posted....?
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Post by redneckplanter on Jan 3, 2014 23:10:17 GMT -5
Dey is growing y'all's.lol
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Post by redneckplanter on Apr 20, 2014 22:34:48 GMT -5
well the redneck northern garlics are making scapes.lol
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