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Post by billh on Sept 10, 2014 16:40:24 GMT -5
This is my first time planting garlic so bear with me please. Peaceful valley is where I ordered and they just let me know that my order is shipping the 26th of this month, here comes the questions. Is that too early to plant because I thought I'd heard Columbus day before. 2nd question won't it sprout this year before winter? I'm guessing that's the reason they said to mulch heavy after the first frost? Thanks for any advice coming.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Sept 10, 2014 17:15:06 GMT -5
I got my music and metechi from them, as I usually do, and I plant mine about the first week in Nov. Columbus day would probably be too early, unless you are way up north. Maybe a week before mine where you are?
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Post by dirtguy50 on Sept 10, 2014 22:08:08 GMT -5
billh, I am down the road in Springfield and it is too early to plant garlic here. Call them and have the ship date set to a full month later. End of October is the earliest to plant here. Hope that helps.
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Post by billh on Sept 11, 2014 16:30:28 GMT -5
pepperhead212 dirtguy50 Thanks for the help. I called them and asked to delay the order, but alas it's shipping the 26th. Good news is they said it would keep until I was ready to plant it, told me it came with instructions
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Post by timothyt on Sept 11, 2014 16:52:43 GMT -5
Every time I've tried planting October--Early November my garlic sprouts too quickly, gets too big by first hard freeze and grows too much again for further freezes--I end up with small bulbs due to too many die backs. (And yes I mulch with leaf mulch and straw) So I plant out Thanksgiving--1st week of December and that works well for me here in zone 7 of NC. Course, sometimes I'm planting in fairly cold weather and have blue fingers by the time I'm done! <grin>
You could always plant some early and some late to see what works better for you.
And, if I may ask, What varieties of garlic did you order?
Good luck/good skill in your garlic endeavors this season!
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Post by pepperhead212 on Sept 11, 2014 17:24:16 GMT -5
billh - I always keep the garlic in the paper bags in my basement for the month or so after I receive it, and have never had any problems.
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Post by paquebot on Sept 11, 2014 22:52:20 GMT -5
The standard rule-of-thumb is easy to follow. 1 September for Zone 3 and add 15 days later for each zone through Zone 8. I'm right on the line between 4 and 5 but wait until at least 1 October. Generally best to be later than the first date than before as too much fall foliage is not always good.
Martin
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Post by gixxerific on Sept 12, 2014 5:57:08 GMT -5
I love me some garlic. I am in MO and I always plant around mid - late Oct with no problem.
Yes mulch heavy this helps to reduce damage to the roots during the spring freeze thaw cycles where the bulb is being heaved with force of the freeze-thaw. My suggestion is to mulc first than plant. I go 4 inches on plnats and 6 on rows.
Good luck
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Post by paquebot on Sept 12, 2014 21:15:29 GMT -5
Forgot to mention the last date that garlic may be planted, 31 December. To prove that frozen ground does not hurt them, I once planted some Martin's on that date. Hatchet was used to chop holes in the ground and the chips used to cover the cloves. Some were left with no mulch and some with a few inches of straw and leaves. In the spring, all emerged at the same time.
Another time, we planted about 3,500 cloves into frozen ground one day. Bulb auger used to make the holes and then whatever could be scratched together to backfill. No problem.
Martin
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Post by dirtguy50 on Sept 12, 2014 21:30:47 GMT -5
Martin, what zone or location are you? That is such important information to leave out of your profile.
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Post by paquebot on Sept 13, 2014 9:29:58 GMT -5
As stated in first reply, I'm between 4 and 5. Attempt to change profile failed for some reason. If any wonder about exact location, I am about 12 miles from WeGrowGarlic whom I was associated with for 6 or 7 years.
Martin
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Post by dirtguy50 on Sept 13, 2014 11:24:45 GMT -5
Thanks Martin, I missed that. That's interesting about planting in frozen ground. Who would have thunk it.
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Post by billh on Sept 13, 2014 19:13:53 GMT -5
timothytI ordered a package. I have elephant, California early white, music, Russian red, and French red shallots coming.
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Post by billh on Sept 13, 2014 19:15:18 GMT -5
By the way thanks everybody for the help.
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Post by billh on Oct 6, 2014 16:37:39 GMT -5
1 more question. After I plant the garlic do I mulch it for winter right then?
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Post by dirtguy50 on Oct 6, 2014 17:29:40 GMT -5
yea, billh. Mulch about 6 inches with straw or whatever you use. It will sprout and stick out but the cold, snow, or ice will not hurt it. It is kind of odd to see green leaves sticking out above a 4" snowfall.
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Post by Rosefriend on Oct 20, 2014 12:12:24 GMT -5
I planted my Garlic this week - Messidor - a white French.. All my veg is grown in tubs, of some sort and last year I had my Garlic in 0,4l beer beakers in a mini plastic GH on the terrace...worked well, even if the bulbs were rather small. We did have a very mild winter for a change.. This year I have planted 24 cloves in the 0,4l beer beakers and 6 in each of two bowl type things. I have put them in the mini GH and then put the mini GH in the large GH and will add some fleece once it starts getting colder - it is really warm in Germany at the moment, supposed to be changing soon though.. It's the first time that I have ever done it this way, GH in a GH - just hope that it works..
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Post by pepperhead212 on Nov 7, 2014 15:25:13 GMT -5
I got all of my garlic and shallots planted this week - 144 cloves of garlic, and the remainder of the double row in shallots - maybe 50 or so. I bought the Metechi and Music seed garlic, but used my own Estonian Red from last season, since I could only find it at high prices from a couple places. Plus, I wanted to see how well it had stored; I have used only the "use first" heads (the ones with few skins, or broken in some way), or small heads, and none of the ER fell in this category! They turned out to have stored 4 months incredibly well, and I used a few cloves, and they have great flavor - somewhat hot raw, and great in the raw dip sauce, as well as the cooked Szechwan dish I used it in. If they turn out to store as well as the other two (among the best storing hardnecks I have grown), I will grow even more next season (stopped at 40 this time).
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Post by billh on Nov 8, 2014 8:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by Rosefriend on Nov 8, 2014 9:15:33 GMT -5
Came in yesterday from the GH and noticed that some garlic is already showing through - I have put thick fleece on the shelving and have fleece standing by to cover up everything once the hard weather starts...be interesting to see a) if it lives through a hard winter (if we get one - now I would love to be able to see in the future and see what we are in for, weather wise!!) and b) if the cloves in the bowls are bigger than the ones in the beakers.... Have to admit that this variety does taste really nice...
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Nov 16, 2014 1:48:55 GMT -5
I'm interested in your experiment, too, Rosefriend. Please do keep us posted. I am planting my garlic now. About half of it is in; I hope to get the rest in tomorrow. I should end up with about 120 cloves of garlic in my dedicated garlic beds. I am also sticking some of the runty little interior cloves here and there in my other garden beds, for use as garlic greens. The varieties I am planting are: Turbans Maiskij* Shilla* ArtichokesSiciliano* CreolesAjo Rojo* Cuban Purple Germinador Labera Purple Rose du Lautrec The stars denote varieties that I grew last year - for these, I am planting my own seed garlic. The other four varieties are from a Creoles Sampler of seed garlic that I bought this year. I will have to see how the space works out to decide how many shallots to plant. I have never grown them before, so they are an experiment for me.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Nov 17, 2014 9:44:25 GMT -5
All the garlic is now planted, as are the shallots.
I was hoping that Mother Nature would water them in for me with the rain today. Unfortunately the thunderstorms have been mostly wind and not much rain. Maybe a little more rain will happen before the system moves past. If not, I'll be outside with a hose in a little while (it's been a long time since we've gotten rain here).
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Nov 29, 2014 16:00:13 GMT -5
All of the Turban garlic is up - some of it is 6" or more and nearly all of those plants already have 3 leaves out. With Turban garlic, I plant and stand back!
About 80% of the Creole and Artichoke garlic plants have made appearances, but they are smaller - ranging from barely peeking above the soil to 3"-4" tall with one leaf out. But I expected them to start off a little slower than the Turbans - they are on track.
None of the shallots are up yet. I've never grown them before, so I don't know how long it should take them to break ground. I figure I will give them another week, then carefully dig one up and see if they at least have some roots growing.
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Post by billh on Nov 30, 2014 7:37:01 GMT -5
I got all of mine in the day before thanksgiving. Now just waiting for spring
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Post by Rosefriend on Dec 1, 2014 7:04:00 GMT -5
About 3/4 of mine were through but I have now covered all the pots up with fleece and closed the mini GH and also bubblewrapped and closed the large GH's themselves....we have sub-zero temps at the moment - not much but I shall leave the GH's shut until it warm's up a bit...
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 14, 2015 9:28:51 GMT -5
billh, pepperhead212, dirtguy50, timothyt, paquebot, gixxerific, Rosefriend, Laura_in_FL I finally looked at my garlic in the GH a couple of days ago - I have taken the mini GH out of the large GH and put it back where it belongs...the garlic has done well - one load in particular - not sure why but everything is looking really healthy.. I'll let the temperatures warm up a bit and then put the pots outside...
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Feb 14, 2015 11:44:31 GMT -5
Neat - I never would have thought of growing garlic in a greenhouse, but it makes sense in your climate to get a jump on spring growth.
When is garlic usually ready to harvest in your zone?
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Post by paquebot on Feb 14, 2015 13:30:50 GMT -5
Garlic can be grown in pots as long as the pots are big enough to allow for a deep root system. Although one plants the cloves so that the bases may be barely an inch below the surface, the base of the mature bulb may be 6 inches or more deep. I've got some 7-gallon pots and will be planting 5 Chesnok Red in each as soon as it warms enough so that I can make the proper soil mix. Won't get the same results that would come from a fall planting in the ground but that variety will produce a decent bulb from a spring planting.
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Post by Rosefriend on Feb 15, 2015 10:17:47 GMT -5
Neat - I never would have thought of growing garlic in a greenhouse, but it makes sense in your climate to get a jump on spring growth. When is garlic usually ready to harvest in your zone? Garlic can be grown in pots as long as the pots are big enough to allow for a deep root system. Although one plants the cloves so that the bases may be barely an inch below the surface, the base of the mature bulb may be 6 inches or more deep. I've got some 7-gallon pots and will be planting 5 Chesnok Red in each as soon as it warms enough so that I can make the proper soil mix. Won't get the same results that would come from a fall planting in the ground but that variety will produce a decent bulb from a spring planting. Martin All my veg is done in containers - the garlic happened when three years runnig I lost all my garlic due to temps or over minus20C. In desperation I tried them in single beakers and in the GH under piles of fleece and although the bulbs are not massive they are really lovely tasting and that is all that matters for me. This was the size last year - they had split although I got some single ones as well.. Ironically of course the last two years we have had a very mild winter so I could well have left them outside but we never know what we are going to get, do we!!
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