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Post by pepperhead212 on Apr 26, 2018 23:13:25 GMT -5
I'm surprised we didn't post a garlic thread in the fall! I remember barely getting mine in before getting sick, but I wrote down what I planted of all of them. Today I counted what I had growing out there, and I was right when I said that it looked like not a single N White Porcelain died, as there are still 36! The Music had the most die - only 37 left of 48. It didn't look like any Metechi died, and I must have mis-counted, either today, or when I planted, as I counted 46 today - 1 more than before. And 53 of 59 Estonian red. That row was one that tested high last season for most nutrients, except N, so maybe I'll put some of that granular fish fertilizer on there. Only a little over 2 months left for it in the ground here.
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Post by hairymooseknuckles on Apr 27, 2018 7:33:31 GMT -5
Awesome!
We moved a few Moose Knuckle down here to have it on this end of the farm, but didn't buy any to plant. I got burned the last time I bought commercial garlic.
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Post by spike on Apr 27, 2018 7:42:33 GMT -5
LOL I needed to giggle this morning! See last year my cousin yelled at me for planting Music garlic because he doesn't like it. So naturally I only planted Music garlic >,< I also only planted 12 of them and they are growing nicely. (BAD decision on my part BAD. Gonna be short on garlic)
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Post by pepperhead212 on Apr 27, 2018 8:14:45 GMT -5
spike I always liked Music because it was on of the larger garlics, and I prefer peeling fewer cloves! Also one of the longer storing hardnecks. Never had a problem with it dying, even in that really cold winter that killed almost all of the Metechi. This is the first time that I have grown Metechi since then, and that cold spell in December didn't bother it at all.
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Post by ladymarmalade on Apr 27, 2018 9:49:50 GMT -5
I have two varieties this year. Martin's Heirloom and Hardneck Purple Glazer. By early next week I expect I'll be able to see who lives and who died, but I really prepped that bed last year, so I expect them to all be alive and well.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 27, 2018 10:11:46 GMT -5
I share the opinion of many in that Music is overrated and has its size as best quality. There are a number of rocamboles which can match or beat Music for size and only 5 to 7 big cloves to fuss with. Martin's will do 3½" in decent soil and 6 or 7 big cloves. For past 10 years, been trying for a full 4" bulb. Always some factor stops me from seeing one.
With the very much delayed spring here, not going to guarantee what the July results will be. No green was showing until just a week ago and then only a couple plants. Not certain exactly how many but I believe that it's around 140. All survived and all are Martin's.
Martin
The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Apr 27, 2018 10:28:09 GMT -5
I stopped trying rocamboles when I had some of them simply not form heads when I had mild winters. It seems that they need a long deep freeze to head up. And I can't take that chance, with my crazy weather. One year I had Swiss chard live through the winter! Porcelain and purple stripes never did this, for me.
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Post by brownrexx on Apr 27, 2018 13:16:24 GMT -5
I planted 28 German Extra Hardy Porcelain in November and mulched with leaves and pine needles. All survived and now are nice looking plants.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 28, 2018 8:05:31 GMT -5
OUt of 4 varieties, only the Northern Quebec failed to overwinter. I've just not had luck with this variety of garlic? Perhaps there was a problem with the original seed garlic. 5 years trying to get it to produce a decent crop. A waste of effort and garden space. Now I can move on.
Chesnok Red, Puslinch and the local variety that came from a museum garden are growing like bad weeds with the rain and sunshine this week. I removed the leaf mulch yesterday and dug it into another bed. Rain today and warmer temps starting Monday. They'll be knee high before I know it!
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Post by spike on Apr 28, 2018 10:38:51 GMT -5
My one Old Uncle used to plant TONS of garlic but only planted one type. It was a very HOT hard neck. No idea what it was as he wouldn't tell anyone. Once he passed on, I was looking for garlic to plant and found Music. Now I can not live without actual music/tunes so it was only natural for me to try Music Garlic. I am open to suggestions since without my Old Uncles to push me around I tend to flounder a lot.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 28, 2018 12:18:55 GMT -5
One thing about Music is that there are none which grow taller. Biggest plant I grew was 78" from base of bulb to tip of umbel. Still only had 2½" bulb. That variety was a weed for a number of years. I experimented with some bulbils to see how long it takes to get a proper bulb. (It's 4 years.) A few volunteers later strew those tiny bulbils all over and not all come up the first year. That was over 10 years ago and there were volunteers last year which I'm certain were Music.
Martin
The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by guruofgardens on Apr 28, 2018 17:43:04 GMT -5
The Estonian Red that I planted are thriving under leaf mulch and have grown to about8-10" high. The Elephant garlic that I also planted is much shorter, a bit wider, but is also thriving.
I have lots of first years that have come up on their own and are definitely weeds. Most will have to be removed to make space for the tomatoes.
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Post by horsea on Apr 28, 2018 20:29:06 GMT -5
OUt of 4 varieties, only the Northern Quebec failed to overwinter. Strange that something called Northern Quebec would not last thru your milder winter!
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 28, 2018 20:43:02 GMT -5
Funny isn't it? Oh well
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Post by paquebot on Apr 29, 2018 21:30:50 GMT -5
I note Estonian Red being mentioned. Out of curiosity, what was the source? Two of us introduced it into America about 15 years ago. Mine was first available through We Grow Garlic, the other only through SSE.
Martin
The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Apr 30, 2018 8:26:46 GMT -5
I don't recall where I got Estonian Red this season. It seems that every year it is somewhere different - wherever I can find it.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 30, 2018 15:25:53 GMT -5
When imtroduced, we had to come to a compromise on the name. Originakky it was Red Estonian on Denmark. However, that is a breed of cattle. So we agreed on Estonian Red. Nobody knows what the name is/was in Estonia since it's really a Danish variety.
Martin
The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by brownrexx on Apr 30, 2018 19:42:10 GMT -5
Baker Creek sells it as well as several others.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on May 1, 2018 10:36:19 GMT -5
I know I have a crazy early garlic harvesting time - most of you won't be harvesting until July. But because of my climate and the fact that I grow Turban garlic, my garlic is nearly cured already. All of the leaves and roots are dry, but some of the thicker stems aren't quite dry yet. I'll make pics to post when the garlic is all cleaned up. Several of the bulbs were already split when I harvested. As Southern Exposure Seed Exchange says, Turban garlic I was a little later than this with some of them - they had several brown leaves. So most of the "splits" are my fault. Still, every year on at least a few of my Turban garlic plants the stems visibly split at the same time as the scapes emerge. So I'm probably guaranteed a few "splits." I am not sure whether this is a quirk of Turbans or something about the conditions in my garden. But as long as I use the split bulbs first, they store long enough for me to use them before they go bad. So a few "splits" are no big deal. (I save only intact heads for replanting.) The garlic I grew this year is Shilla, a Korean variety. I have also had good results with a Turban from Turkmenistan, Maiskij, in the past. By the way, "Maiskij" means "May" - that variety's normal harvest time in its home country. Turbans also like to be planted on the early side in the fall. I guess they are always in a hurry! The reason I went into such detail about Turban garlics is because some of you might want to try a Turban in addition to your other garlic - you could get fresh garlic 6-8 weeks early!
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Post by pepperhead212 on May 1, 2018 18:12:26 GMT -5
Laura_in_FL I tried some turbans (though I don't recall the names), way back when I was first experimenting, and found some of those things out, by trial and error. Though nobody back then said to harvest as soon as brown appeared, I found out that waiting until 40% browned, like I did with others, was too long, yet if I harvested earlier, they were far too small. I loved the flavor, but I figured those were more for warmer areas, and since they do well for you, that must be true.
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Post by hairymooseknuckles on May 1, 2018 19:21:01 GMT -5
This is Moose Knuckle Garlic. It grows wild here on my place. We moved a few down here on this end of the property and they are doing well.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on May 2, 2018 0:12:59 GMT -5
They look really healthy, hairymooseknuckles. pepperhead212, it's interesting (and disappointing) that Turbans didn't do well for you. Although they're supposed to be hardy to zone 3, maybe they are happier in the southern half of the country.
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Post by horsea on May 2, 2018 15:44:21 GMT -5
This is Moose Knuckle Garlic. It grows wild here on my place. We moved a few down here on this end of the property and they are doing well. Is that chickweed it's surrounded by? OTOH, maybe chickweed doesn't grow in your climate. It may be a more cool weather crop.
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Post by hairymooseknuckles on May 2, 2018 17:48:53 GMT -5
horsea, Shucks I dunno. I'm not up on my wild vegetation. I'd be a poor survivalist unless there were wild game around. LAUGHING!!!
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Post by paquebot on May 2, 2018 19:59:54 GMT -5
Turbans aren't meant to do well in cooler areas although it will grow almost everywhere. I didn't grow it here but never impressed for size at We Grow Garlic.
Martin
The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Jun 17, 2018 22:35:35 GMT -5
Here is that one variety - Music - that developed some disease. None of the other heads or the other 3 varieties have developed it, yet, or at least they haven't turned brown early, which these did. Must have been on the cloves when planted - only 10 came down with it, yet the one clean head was between 2 and 1 diseased heads. Fortunately, no ALM on any of the diseased stalks. DSCF0715 by pepperhead212, on Flickr Here is a test head I dug - small, only 1 3/4", but I dug it early, to check for the disease. DSCF0714 by pepperhead212, on Flickr Here is a photo showing all those empty spaces in the Music row, while behind them, the N Porcelain, with no spaces, plus MUCH higher scapes. DSCF0709 by pepperhead212, on Flickr
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Post by paquebot on Jun 17, 2018 23:20:55 GMT -5
pepperhead212, maybe it's because they don't like to be told that they arfe growing with their heads in the ground?(-: The top bulbs look like basal rot from too wet. Garlic beds should be worked twice as deep as for a normal garden. That is, 16" instead of 8". If that were already done, then that's not the answer. Middle picure looks normal other than the brown flecks. Root system looks good, other than that. If healthy a Music scape may stretch up to 6' or more. When you plant some of those back, soak the cloves in cheap vodka for a few hours first. That will take care of most bulb-borne pathogens. Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by paquebot on Jun 17, 2018 23:25:08 GMT -5
This is Moose Knuckle Garlic. It grows wild here on my place. We moved a few down here on this end of the property and they are doing well. Those extra-wide leaves look very much like elephant garlic. That seems to grow rampant throughout the South. When dug, how many cloves? Average would be about 5. Might even be some large rounds. A key to look for is small brown corms at the base of some bulbs. Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Jun 18, 2018 7:36:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the vodka tip, paquebot. I'll be sure to try that.
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Post by brownrexx on Jun 18, 2018 13:15:56 GMT -5
pepperhead212 , this is what several of my garlic looked like 2 years ago when I had the ALM in my onions and chives. I blamed it on them but I never saw any actual proof. The chives where I actually found ALM pupae were about 5 feet away from the garlic bed. The ALM larvae can burrow into bulbs and allow secondary infections to get started. Not all of the heads were ruined but I quit growing garlic or onions at home after this. I am now growing them at my cabin which is 125 miles west of here and the ALM has not been discovered there yet. DSC01513 by Brownrexx, on Flickr
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