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kct
Apr 26, 2013 18:40:57 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on Apr 26, 2013 18:40:57 GMT -5
This is one of the delta-carotene lines. I do not know which because I did not get the label in the picture to know later.
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kct
Apr 26, 2013 20:03:15 GMT -5
Post by txdirtdog on Apr 26, 2013 20:03:15 GMT -5
First off, pretty tomato.
Questions:
I know that the Delta-carotene inhibits the production of the "high red" lycopene tomato. Delta carotene found in tangerine or "old gold" tomatoes as well as a couple of the wild tomatoes. Since this is a "striped" or "mottled" tomato, are you trying to balance carotene and lycopene to deliver both a higher shot of vitamin A precursor and possible cancer intervention in one package?
I could find darn-all info as to whether Delta-carotene would show a benefit over other carotenes. Actually I could not find any connection that stated Delta-carotene was a precursor for vitamin A while the other usual culprits of Alpha, Beta and Gamma-carotenes were readily listed. Any enlightenment?
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izzy
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kct
Apr 26, 2013 21:40:47 GMT -5
Post by izzy on Apr 26, 2013 21:40:47 GMT -5
I know I'd feel better if I ate one.
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kct
Apr 26, 2013 22:36:56 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on Apr 26, 2013 22:36:56 GMT -5
Delta tomatoes have some lycopene.
I know the family those came from, I'm just not sure which specific line it was. The majority of that family has quite a bite to them.
Ive found little if any info on delta-carotene benefits in any kind of fruit. I don't think it has been that well researched yet.
Not to get too complicated but I have been "mixing" them with other genes. Flavor-wise there does seem to be a better combo. I am not saying what it is. It is still too early to tell.
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kct
Apr 26, 2013 22:59:02 GMT -5
Post by txdirtdog on Apr 26, 2013 22:59:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I don't want to get too much into the nuts and bolts of what you are doing, but was curious if you were targeting health benefit or other. Flavor is of course always a winner!
I was really surprised at the lack of delta-carotene info I found when searching. Sounds like there's a grant waiting to happen.
Good luck in the continued lines.
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kct
Apr 27, 2013 3:29:34 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 3:29:34 GMT -5
Beautiful mater :-) I did not know they had any patterned carotene tomatoes. Just lovely
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kct
Apr 27, 2013 7:20:37 GMT -5
Post by gixxerific on Apr 27, 2013 7:20:37 GMT -5
Nice
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kct
May 3, 2013 12:59:35 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 3, 2013 12:59:35 GMT -5
Definitely one of the "oddballs". It comes from (P20 x an advanced Purple Haze line)->Fsomething x (advanced variegated line x advanced (lucky cross x purple haze)). So in addition to being "purple" and having that speckling on the skin (not stripes), the plant foliage is also purple with variegation. There are yellow, green and somewhat orange flesh variants on this type of line as well as PL and RL types. Unfortunately most of these lines croaked from a bad potting mix and I'll have to wait till next year to work on them. There was a sister line to this one that did make it for this year. It's fruits are the more "orangish" type, smaller, slightly elongated and pointed on the ends.
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kct
May 3, 2013 14:03:48 GMT -5
Post by stratcat on May 3, 2013 14:03:48 GMT -5
These look great, KC! I hate to hear that you lost these lines for this year due to potting mix.
Is the potting mix one we might encounter?
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kct
May 3, 2013 14:19:25 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 3, 2013 14:19:25 GMT -5
The brand was "Premier". It was not a brand I normally use. I suspect that "quality control" goofed and fertilizer (too much) was added. That or 2,4-D spilled on the bale in shipping or something. I ran out of my "regular" brand. Everything that was planted in those looked fine. About 10 trays (~480 plants) that got planted with Premier in just a few days looked like: I knew it wasn't the mixing tub, trays or water because that was the same as the first batch. When I bought more of the brand I was using, the problem stopped. I transplanted a few key things i only had one of and still looked OK but they still look gnarly. I am hoping these recovered ones, that were transplanted into new mix, will grow out of it.
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kct
May 3, 2013 15:32:00 GMT -5
Post by txdirtdog on May 3, 2013 15:32:00 GMT -5
Sorry to see that last picture KC. Good luck with the transplanted ones.
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kct
May 3, 2013 23:33:43 GMT -5
Post by stratcat on May 3, 2013 23:33:43 GMT -5
Thanks. That's really awful.
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kct
May 4, 2013 9:33:13 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 4, 2013 9:33:13 GMT -5
BTW, when I buy my mixes I get mixes WITHOUT any fertilizer or other additives. This was not supposed to have any but in some rained on containers I threw outside I can see those polyacrylimide gels have formed.
If the trend to adding more things like fertilizer or poly-acrylimide continues I will go to mixing my own soil mix of just peat+perlite(+wormcastings).
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kct
May 4, 2013 9:46:28 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 4, 2013 9:46:28 GMT -5
I dont recall if I posted this before. It is a true apricot flesh line.
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kct
May 4, 2013 12:18:05 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 4, 2013 12:18:05 GMT -5
Here is what one of the variations of the high pigment in an apricot background looks like. I know it looks very much like a red but it really is different than the "red" types that segregated out of this cross. Ill try to find one of those and another line to post.
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kct
May 4, 2013 12:37:24 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 4, 2013 12:37:24 GMT -5
Here is what one of the variations of the high pigment in an apricot background looks like. I know it looks very much like a red but it really is different than the "red" types that segregated out of this cross. Ill try to find one of those and another line to post. The flash also influenced the one above. These are the other "types" (taken outdoors w/o a flash)
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kct
May 9, 2013 12:46:31 GMT -5
Post by horsea on May 9, 2013 12:46:31 GMT -5
What an intense shade of scarlet...I can hardly look at it without my eyes getting watery.
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kct
May 9, 2013 13:30:25 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 9, 2013 13:30:25 GMT -5
When the F1's of the delta lines where grown they had this unique lipstick red color color. It wasn't crimson but more of a slightly orangish red. So I suspect in those instances (crossed with specific red parents) it produces such a color when the genes are heterozygous and certain red modifying genes are also in play. It is very likely that genes for variations in red will be found with molecular research. I can tell, and I know others suspect it too, that there does seem to be variations in reds. But just by looking at them it is rather hard to qualify consistently as they are likely influenced by other factors (flesh, environmental ripening conditions, etc). There is a project for analyzing tomato color from Dr van der Knaap's lab at Ohio State. The tool can be found here oardc.osu.edu/vanderknaap/tomato_analyzer.php
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kct
May 9, 2013 19:44:59 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 9, 2013 19:44:59 GMT -5
High brix Purple Cherry Tomato under development. F2 Potato-leafed, long flower truss. Extremely high brix S. pimpinellifolium parent line crossed to stable Purple Haze line Flavor is candy like and a different complexity than Black Cherry. The leaves on F3 seedlings are a type of PL I have not seen before. Leaflets are smaller than regular PL. Margins are smooth and entire. Leaf apexes are more accuminate to aristate rather than obtuse or acute. On the mature F2 the PL leaves were more compound (more leaflets) than most PL types but each individual leaflet was smooth and entire along margins. I do not recall the apexes being so pronounced.
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kct
May 10, 2013 7:09:14 GMT -5
Post by paulf on May 10, 2013 7:09:14 GMT -5
Black Cherry was the first cherry I ever really liked, but the Purple Cherry sounds like it may be another.
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kct
May 10, 2013 8:14:38 GMT -5
Post by stratcat on May 10, 2013 8:14:38 GMT -5
Those Purple Cherry look and sound great.
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kct
May 10, 2013 10:04:40 GMT -5
Post by txdirtdog on May 10, 2013 10:04:40 GMT -5
Black Cherry and Sungold F1 are my favorite cherries. Sounds like the Purple Cherry you're working on will be another good one.
Thank you for posting the leaf apex table. I've not seen that before. Interesting.
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kct
May 10, 2013 11:43:47 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 10, 2013 11:43:47 GMT -5
Striped Apricot line that was crossed to Black Cherry. This is an F4. These fruits are 2x larger in size than all the rest of the sibling lines. Skin is "clear".
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kct
May 20, 2013 13:28:11 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on May 20, 2013 13:28:11 GMT -5
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kct
May 21, 2013 0:43:00 GMT -5
Post by stratcat on May 21, 2013 0:43:00 GMT -5
I do like the purple.
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kct
Jun 11, 2013 10:50:10 GMT -5
Post by kctomato on Jun 11, 2013 10:50:10 GMT -5
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Jun 11, 2013 15:07:28 GMT -5
Post by materman on Jun 11, 2013 15:07:28 GMT -5
Looks real real good. Won't have any problem with those falling over.
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Post by kctomato on Jun 24, 2013 22:58:44 GMT -5
Still have lots of work to do Attachments:
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Post by kctomato on Jun 24, 2013 23:02:31 GMT -5
At the farm Attachments:
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Post by kctomato on Jul 3, 2013 1:46:39 GMT -5
Segregation row of anthocyanin producers Attachments:
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