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Post by Tollie on Mar 22, 2014 20:16:38 GMT -5
To keep it simple I figured I would just make one thread to show results and progress of my breeding projects. I have really enjoyed the last 4 years since I learned to breed tomatoes. My most advanced lines are at the F4 stage to be grown out this year in 2014. I'm a hobby breeder that gets help from local friends and friends online to grow and make selections. In the future I would like to obtain some farm land. There are many things that I would like to do agriculturally. "Not just tomatoes" ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/3247375/images/1O7SOWgs0dheN6ogmHMC.png) If anyone wants to do the same and start a thread for their work, I would love to see it. I really enjoy this stuff and it is great for conversation. Thank you, Jason
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Post by materman on Mar 22, 2014 20:31:52 GMT -5
Might consider it later, for I am busy right at the moment. Got seeds fermenting of one cross right now and two beside me that need deseeded, and I see I got one more cross starting to turn. Was a great winter for me to get some crossing done with almost 20 crosses taking. Got some of the early F1s about to bloom, so the fun will start this year with some F2s. But as well I have a many other F2s to F7 to grow out. Fun, fun!
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Post by Tollie on Mar 22, 2014 20:37:15 GMT -5
"Variegated Bicolor Plums"(F2 pictured below. Parentage: Variegated Potato Leaf x Orange Russian 117)![](http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3733/9423446491_81470398e5_z.jpg) ![](http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/9427080730_3d85f3c17d_z.jpg) Here is another picture of a fruit that came off of the "Variegated Bicolor Plums" F2 segregation: ![](http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7329/12303807316_acde08209b_z.jpg) Hundreds of seeds were planted for the F2 last year in 2013 and a few segregates looked promising. This variegated bicolor plum selected in 2013 had variegated foliage and stems. The plants were regular leaf form and grew under 3 foot tall. The plants were very productive. The fruit quality was perfect and the flavor was very good. The fruits had clear epidermis and were crack resistant during periods of rain when other plants nearby expressed cracking. I planted 200 seeds this year to look for potato leaf plants in the F3. There is potential for an increase in fruit size. The "plum" fruit shape might be hiding a few cards up the sleeve for other phenotypes. I am still learning the gene dominance relationships between various fruit shapes among filial generations... A friend took this picture a few days ago of some F3 plants he will be growing from the seeds I sent him. ![](https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3739/13341814795_637bfa85b9.jpg)
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Post by Tollie on Mar 22, 2014 20:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by Tollie on Mar 22, 2014 20:54:50 GMT -5
Sgt. Pepper's is a cross between OSU Blue and a clear skinned "pink" version of German Red Strawberry. This are pictures taken of the F2: ![](http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o536/Seasidetomatoes/September%202012/DSCN2546.jpg) ![](http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o536/Seasidetomatoes/September%202012/DSCN2547.jpg) ![](http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o536/Seasidetomatoes/November%202012/NOV12100.jpg) Last year the F3 was did great! ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/DSCN3574_zps4ff255bf.jpg) ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/July%202013/DSCN3909_zps4ab2b918.jpg) I will have to try and take more pictures. The F4 is being grown this year. This is a great tomato. Flavor is delicious and the yield is great! I have been getting high reviews from growers. The plants have wispy leaves, but they are work horses...
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Post by Tollie on Mar 22, 2014 21:22:33 GMT -5
Sailor's Luck F3: ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/July%202013/DSCN3484_zps87771633.jpg) Bammer's Luck F3 ![](https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2856/13342589145_c361abc471_z.jpg) Here is Bammer's Luck on the top row and Sailor's Luck on the bottom row: ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/July%202013/DSCN3514_zpse9b24429.jpg) They both look the same on the inside. Both have a fantastic sweet flavor. Both have meaty texture with thin skins. Both are juicy. Bammer's Luck has a yellow epidermis. The fruits look brown with olive green stripes on the outside. Sailor's Luck has a clear epidermis. The fruits look purple with metallic green stripes. Both are potato leaf plants. The parentage is Vintage Wine x Black Ethiopian. In this picture below, Bammer's Luck is on the left with Sailor's Luck on the right: ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/July%202013/DSCN3491_zps70136f72.jpg) These are really great tomatoes. They look so cool grouped together. I had a counter full of them this last summer. My daughter Meagan was eating them like candy. I made some fresh salsa with some Bammer's Luck and Sailor's Luck and it was the best salsa I have made to date! I am growing the F4 of both this year.
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Post by Tollie on Mar 22, 2014 21:28:30 GMT -5
Here is one that I have identified as SBK-12 (Sweet Beverley x Kosovo, plant #12 from the F2 grow out) This is a picture of the F3 grown last year. The flavor is really good. I like the look of the bright yellow hearts. The F4 is being grown this year. ![](https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7391/13342976364_8e958d0fe6_z.jpg)
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Post by timothyt on Mar 23, 2014 19:23:51 GMT -5
Dang Tollie! Somehow I over looked/missed this thread, but sure delighted to see you posting these here!! These are truly some wonderful, productive, and tasty maters that did a good job of fending off multiple diseases in my garden last season. I'm going to do my best to try and fit in at least Sailor's Luck and Sgt. Peppers again this year.
Sailor's Luck was incredible sweet and tasty (my wife's favorite) and all 3 plants were productive, but one was really super productive at over 100 ripe fruit picked!
My 2 container Sgt. Pepper's struggled with a bad batch of soil with fusarium and bacterial wilt, but they still hung on. The 2 garden plants did very well and had good production of not only beautiful but very tasty hearts that mirror Tollie's pictures (actually think mine looked better<grin>). Largest was 27oz. To have a heart mater with high antho color that really taste good was a delightful surprize!
Keep up the good work!
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Post by izitmidnight on Mar 24, 2014 16:32:24 GMT -5
Wow, those are some georgeous tomatoes!
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Post by timothyt on Mar 27, 2014 15:17:52 GMT -5
Hey Tollie,
What percentage of PL (potato leaf) vs RL (regular leaf) plants are you experiencing in your F3 grow out of your " Variegated Bi-Color Plums" this season? Or are they not far enough along to tell yet? And, what is your experience for how long you have to wait (on average) to see the variegation trait in seedlings show up?
Thanks!
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Post by Tollie on Mar 27, 2014 17:57:51 GMT -5
Hey Tollie, What percentage of PL (potato leaf) vs RL (regular leaf) plants are you experiencing in your F3 grow out of your " Variegated Bi-Color Plums" this season? Or are they not far enough along to tell yet? And, what is your experience for how long you have to wait (on average) to see the variegation trait in seedlings show up? Thanks! I am still making selections from the mass planting that I have in the greenhouse. I should be able to give you a number and percentage of potato leaf segregates found within the next two weeks. For the F3, I planted 200 seeds. The variegation should become evident after 4 -6 weeks. I would also add that the variegation seems to happen mostly on the second set of true leaves, so don't get alarmed if the first set of true leaves look all green.
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Post by Tollie on Mar 27, 2014 18:13:25 GMT -5
Here is another one that I am growing again. It is a cross between OSU Large and Filipino #2. Pictured here is the F2 from last year, which is a clear skinned pink. ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/July%202013/DSCN3496_zpsbb59016b.jpg) ![](http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y510/Tolliestomatoes/July%202013/DSCN3504_zpsf49bcf42.jpg) The taste was sweet and tangy, thus I have given this one a working name of "Sweet Tang". The potential to see a purple appear remains a possibility.
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Post by Tollie on Mar 27, 2014 18:42:31 GMT -5
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Post by timothyt on Mar 28, 2014 5:36:48 GMT -5
Hey Tollie, What percentage of PL (potato leaf) vs RL (regular leaf) plants are you experiencing in your F3 grow out of your " Variegated Bi-Color Plums" this season? Or are they not far enough along to tell yet? And, what is your experience for how long you have to wait (on average) to see the variegation trait in seedlings show up? Thanks! I am still making selections from the mass planting that I have in the greenhouse. I should be able to give you a number and percentage of potato leaf segregates found within the next two weeks. For the F3, I planted 200 seeds. The variegation should become evident after 4 -6 weeks. I would also add that the variegation seems to happen mostly on the second set of true leaves, so don't get alarmed if the first set of true leaves look all green. Cool Beans! I look forward to seeing your progress with the Variegated Bi-color Plum F3! Hoping you find lot's of PLs to work with also! Your timing for seeing the variegation trait show up for these matches up with what I experienced last year when growing your Variegated Potato Leaf x Striped Big Cheef F2 last season. Out of the 5 that showed variegation only 1 showed variegation early on at the first set of true leaves, and then just barely. And 1 waited until 3rd set of leaves. They were all mighty gorgeous plants!
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Post by timothyt on Mar 28, 2014 9:54:03 GMT -5
OK, I'm going to try and attach a picture of a very young VPLxSBC F2 with it's 1st variegated leaves. And then a picture of the plant less than a month later. Hopefully I won't screw this up and screw up Tollie's thread. OK, that semi worked, but could not get both on same post. Sorry the quality is not better, but that is about as good as my camera and I get! ![](//storage.proboards.com/3247375/thumbnailer/GoEhvDZzyEQbSl9ZCkF4.jpg)
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Post by timothyt on Mar 28, 2014 9:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by timothyt on Mar 28, 2014 11:11:43 GMT -5
OK, I'll try one more picture of this plant to show something else that is really cool. It is not just the leaves that are variegated, but the stems, peduncles, and even the sepals are also striped with white! (I know, hard to see as it's another lousy shot!) Might have to click on picture to enlarge to be able to see it. Anywho, done now, and will quit messing with Tollie's thread!
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Post by Tollie on Mar 28, 2014 15:01:07 GMT -5
I enjoy your posts Timothy. Feel free to jump in any time! This thread is open for discussion to everyone!
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Post by bestofour on Mar 28, 2014 16:42:28 GMT -5
I love the color of Karson's First. If you cross a potato leaf and regular leaf do you get some of both leaves on the same plant?
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Post by Tollie on Mar 28, 2014 17:30:56 GMT -5
I love the color of Karson's First. If you cross a potato leaf and regular leaf do you get some of both leaves on the same plant? Potato leaf is recessive. If you crossed a potato leaf plant with a regular leaf plant you would get regular leaf plants in the F1 generation. In the F2 generation the leaf form will begin segregation of genes with approximately 25% of the segregates being potato leaf.
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Post by kctomato on Apr 7, 2014 16:06:02 GMT -5
The variegation should become evident after 4 -6 weeks. I would also add that the variegation seems to happen mostly on the second set of true leaves, so don't get alarmed if the first set of true leaves look all green. Grow them in cooler and high light conditions and they will show variegation in the first true leaves.
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Post by timothyt on Apr 13, 2014 6:03:22 GMT -5
Grow them in cooler and high light conditions and they will show variegation in the first true leaves. Thanks for the tip kc!
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Post by timothyt on Apr 13, 2014 6:29:43 GMT -5
Progress Report:
Variegated Potato Leaf x Striped Big Cheef (F3): (Batch # VR4vb -8/3/2013): seeded 4 on 3/21/14: Germination=4/4=100%, germination days=all popped up on day 4 All Potato leaf, all 4 expressed variegation on 1st true set of leaves and now even more so on second/third set. Plants potted up to 3.5" square pots on 4/7. All healthy, stout, and beautimous!
Sailor's Luck (F4): Batch # (SL1wb-7/23/13): seeded 4 on 4/2/14: Germination=4/4=100%, gd=1 popped up on day 3, remaining 3 popped on day 4 All healthy, just now full set of 1st set of leaves and look to be all PL
Sgt. Pepper's (F4): Batch # (SP1mbw-7/23/13); seeded 4 on 4/2/14: Germination=3/4=75%, gd=1 day 4, 1 day 5, 1 day 6 All seem to have dark stems, are healthy, and just starting 1st set of true leaves.
That's all for now!
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Apr 13, 2014 18:07:58 GMT -5
Nice! Sounds like you're off to a nice start.
It's great that all of your VPL x SBC plants showed the potato leaf shape and the variegation.
Since those are all F3 and F4 crosses you're growing, it'll be fun to see what surprises you get from each of them.
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Post by timothyt on Apr 18, 2014 13:03:16 GMT -5
Just a quick update: All plants doing well and thriving! Sailor's Luck and Sgt. Pepper's all true to form. And below is a shot of my 4 VPLxSBC F3s today at 28 days from seeding. As my photo skills stink, stank, and stunk, you'll just have to imagine how good they really look!! They are 8"-10" tall now. ![](//storage.proboards.com/3247375/thumbnailer/HPVmL9APjRn8tLU8MfVY.jpg)
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Post by timothyt on Jun 22, 2014 15:31:52 GMT -5
Summer Solstice update! SO far so good!!!!
Sailor's Luck (F4): seeded 4/2, 1 planted 5/11 in 15 gallon container Happy and healthy plant. No disease so far. 48" tall with 3 main stems, 8 clusters with avg. 5 fruit per cluster, 8 fruit set and lots more blossoms, largest fruit 1.5" x 1.5". All set fruit are striped and more round than oval this season.
Sgt. Pepper's (F4): seeded 4/2, 1 planted in main raised bed 5/11 Quickest plant to top it's 54" tall cage this year. Healthy, but has had a touch of Early Blight and Septoria. 68" tall, two main stems, dark main stems with good show of antho, wispy leaf, 12 fruit clusters with avg. 7-9 fruit per cluster, 9 heart shaped fruit set so far with largest at 2" shoulders x 3" long.
VPL x SBC (F3) (VR4): seeded 3/21 Just absolutely drop dead gorgeous variegated Potato Leaf plants! 15 gallon container (planted 5/5): 59" tall with 3 main stems. Highly variegated PL leaves, stems, peduncles, sepals, etc. Healthy. Touch of Early Blight. 9 clusters with avg. 6-8 fruit per cluster. 26 oval striped fruit set so far with largest being 1" x 1.5" 4 gallon deck pot (planted late 5/26): 50" tall with 2 main stems. High variegation "...". Healthy and happy. 8 clusters with avg. 5-6 fruit per cluster. 15 round striped fruit so far with largest being 1.5"w x 1.25t"
That's it for now, more later as they ripen!
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Post by Tollie on Jun 22, 2014 21:50:27 GMT -5
Nice update Timothy! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/3247375/images/AgR8NN4iidU1wy_OcyQm.png)
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Post by timothyt on Jul 3, 2014 16:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Jul 6, 2014 13:53:30 GMT -5
Ooh, pretty! Would you post another picture at full ripe so we can see the full stripe and color development?
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Post by Tollie on Jul 18, 2014 20:45:40 GMT -5
Here is a selection from Gail(Green Giant x Yellow Submarine) x Everett's Rusty Oxheart F2. My daughter Meagan and my wife Cindy both agreed that this one tastes like "candy". This is the sweetest green when ripe that I have ever tasted. The flavor is complex. The potato leaf plant is heavily loaded with medium sized fruits. I am looking forward to enjoying more of these this year. Seeds are being saved. I like the yellow skin and GWR interior. I'd be glad to share some seeds this fall with a couple of folks. 20140717_120653 20140717_120833 20140717_121045
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