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Post by paquebot on Sept 12, 2018 16:32:36 GMT -5
To make flour for refried beans, grinder didn't work. Beans start to break up behind the blade and auger can't push them through. Lacking a grain mill, used the blender. Several minutes on grate and a couple more on liquify had perfect flour. Despite that most beans were black or brown, flour turmed out almost white. Made a quart and it looked so nice that I made another. Now to see how it works in tacos and burritos. Then do several gallons at a time.
Martin
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Post by brownrexx on Sept 15, 2018 7:56:08 GMT -5
I saw this in an e-newsletter from the Bean Institute this morning and wanted to share:
Many Americans fall short of the mineral magnesium in their diets. Getting too little of this nutrient may raise risk for hypertension, diabetes, bone loss and migraine headaches. People who take proton pump inhibitors like omeprazole to inhibit stomach acid production may be at especially high risk for deficiency since these medications may reduce magnesium absorption.
Including beans in diets is one way to give magnesium intake a boost. A half-cup of black beans provides about 3 times the magnesium as 3 ounces of beef or chicken and twice as much magnesium as most vegetables. It’s one more way in which beans may help protect against heart disease and osteoporosis.
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Post by bestofour on Sept 15, 2018 12:37:59 GMT -5
Good to know. I don't like black beans but I do like other varieties.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Oct 12, 2018 10:06:12 GMT -5
They've just begun to dry here now the weather has dropped to the mid40's and attempting to rain. I'm so concerned about them going moldy on the vines. Has anyone actually cut their pole bean vines and brought them into a building to dry?
Or should I not be alarmed just yet? I haven't grown this many in a long time and I can't remember what I used to do?
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Post by aftermidnight on Oct 12, 2018 10:54:17 GMT -5
What are the pods like, if they are feeling soft and leathery especially at the top end of the pod and the beans have already formed it's pretty safe to cut the vines and hang them up in a dry place with good air circulation. We are having a sunny week here but the temps are starting to drop, I have one late to form pods variety I'm watching like a hawk, in fact I have a clear umbrella over one cluster of pods for added protection.
If I grow a variety I know is going to be late I grow it on a conduit pole so I can stick an umbrella over it but if you have it where the wind would be a problem it needs to be anchored down .
This is the top (the large one)I use for the umbrella, it is held on to the conduit with a thumb screw.
For other pole beans they also have conduit poles, cork in top with a nail to hold as many strings as yo need.
Conduit never wears out and easy to store .
Annette
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Oct 12, 2018 16:27:22 GMT -5
aftermidnight, Thanks for the idea but some of mine are on a metal shed frame and the others are on wooden teepees so too spread out to cover light that. Great idea for singular framework though! It's very windy and the rain keeps trying but it's negligible at this point, so I went out and picked probably two thirds of what was left? Many have dried since yesterday in the wind. Hoping I can pick the rest tomorrow.
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Post by brownrexx on Oct 15, 2018 8:30:14 GMT -5
Has anyone actually cut their pole bean vines and brought them into a building to dry? Many people do this but I usually just pick them and bring the pods into the house to dry. I have noticed that if the pods are starting to turn brown or if you open a pod and see that the beans are no longer green, that they will finish developing their final color and drying indoors. Light frosts have never hurt my beans that are still drying on the vines but I don't like them to get too wet because if the air is cold, they will not dry well. Usually we do not get much rain at this time of year but this year is an exception.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Oct 15, 2018 10:27:38 GMT -5
We picked ALL of them yesterday, dry, not so dry and some just plain green. It rained Saturday night, then a few hours of sun and wind, then began raining again and it hasn't stopped. I have trays by heat registers in the dining room and living room. I stir them about once an hour Who says I have no life? LOL
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Post by paquebot on Oct 18, 2018 21:53:29 GMT -5
Picked 2 vasrieties of pole beans today; Purple Pod and Insuk's Wang Kong. As typical, pods ranged from rattling-dry to green-shelly. If there was a bean in the pod, went into the bag even if green. Now they will hang from the garden shed rafters until I get around to threshing them sometime next year.
Martin
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Post by caesg on Apr 23, 2019 15:04:17 GMT -5
brownrexx ,You mention upthread about hard water. I live in a region with very hard water and was super confused as to why it took so long to cook beans. I now run all my bean-water through a Brita filter. It makes a noticeable difference! paquebot , When you say Dutch Brown are the very best for baking and soup, what qualities are you speaking to? I'm thinking flavor, texture, amount of baking/boiling time required... Also, how'd your bean flour for refried beans and hummus turn out?
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Post by caesg on Apr 23, 2019 16:19:57 GMT -5
brownrexx, You say that at first you selected for color and then afterwards selected for flavor. If you were to pick ~3 beans, that you won't find in a standard grocery store, that have distinctly different flavors from each other and you like, what might those three be? I'm trying to select a few shell beans to order and... there are soooooo many to choose between! I already have a packet of Hidatsa Shield, which I was going to say look like your RG Yellow Eye Beans, but after pulling up photos and looking at them side by side I see that Hidatsa Shield have additional markings. I'm looking at picking up some Tiger's Eye beans, locally grown Black Garbanzo beans, hrmmmmm. The various dry green-colored beans at Baker Creek are alluring simply due to their colors. paquebot 's Dutch Brown Beans all seem to be sold by various Canadian retailers. Which, I mean, as long as they ship to the USA, is doable.
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Post by brownrexx on Apr 23, 2019 16:28:02 GMT -5
caesg , my newest favorite is a small red bean by Rancho Gordo and it is called Domingo Rojo. I have used it in beans and rice as well as chili. I also like black beans and use them for burgers as well as cuban beans and chili. I grow an un named variety that I picked up in Puerto Rico but Black Turtle Beans or Midnight from Rancho Gordo are also good. Another favorite is called New Mexico Bolita. I originally got this dark gold colored pole bean from a poster on the Idig forum. I have grown it every year since then and it is really good for baked beans. I like to grow some bush and some pole beans and the Bolitas mature late so I always harvest the bush beans first. This makes my life easier to not harvest them all at once. After getting over the pretty color thing, I now select for size and texture since they pretty much all turn brown with cooking. We do not enjoy the big fat beans or limas as they seem too starchy to us. Scarlet runner beans are beautiful but we didn't like eating such big beans. I cooked a few white beans called Alubia blanca from RG in my instant pot lately and they were really good so I will probably grow them this year too.
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Post by caesg on Apr 23, 2019 16:53:18 GMT -5
brownrexx, Thanks for the recommendations. I'll add these to my list to look into. I appreciate the descriptions of what and why you and your husband like about each variety. Since you continue growing all 3 of the black beans, what strengths and weaknesses do each bean have in your experience? Have you tried the Cherokee Trail of Tears Black beans?
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Post by brownrexx on Apr 23, 2019 18:08:48 GMT -5
Have you tried the Cherokee Trail of Tears Black beans? No, we have never tried that one. I can't notice any taste difference in the black beans we have tried. The main difference is in the size of the actual beans. The Black Turtle Bean is somewhat smaller than my Puerto Rico Black beans but they taste the same to me. My Puerto Rico Black beans also grow a bit taller and I have had to tie them up to keep them the plants from breaking.
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Post by caesg on Apr 23, 2019 18:45:54 GMT -5
brownrexx, Cool. Thanks for sharing. What do you use for trellising? The last time I grew a pole bean (rattlesnake, if I recall) I staked out two bamboo poles and then essentially created netting out of jute and hung that between the two bamboo poles. The beans were way more interested in climbing the bamboo than they were in climbing the jute. I mean, they accepted me training them to the net. But, the vines on the end just happily and quickly wrapped themselves along the bamboo without any assistance from me and maybe even looked healthier?
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Post by brownrexx on Apr 23, 2019 18:53:54 GMT -5
caesg when I first grew pole beans I used a bamboo teepee for them but then I saw this really cool thing at Gardeners Supply called a bean tower and I bought a couple of them. If you look back on page 2 of this thread you can see one of my towers before the beans covered it.
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Post by paquebot on Apr 23, 2019 21:57:15 GMT -5
caesg,Brown Dutch are just the right size and shape for baking, right texture, and right size. Sort of what you;d expect if you bought some baked beans. For tepees, wrong time of year to be looking for the best and cheapest source. Time is first week of January when $20 Christmas trees become worthless waste. Strip off the boughs and you have tepee legs. Then use a mower to reduce the boughs to super mulch. Such a good idea that I once had 52 of them stolen! Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by caesg on Apr 26, 2019 13:06:56 GMT -5
paquebot, Ooooh, I like that idea! I'll have to keep it in mind for this winter. Also, I keep toying with the idea of getting a woodchipper, which would go along well with this. My inlaws have free bamboo for the taking in their back yard. Too bad I won't be up their way until November!
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Apr 26, 2019 14:28:17 GMT -5
Free bamboo is awesome! You can make stakes, teepees, fences, and all sorts of garden structures for free.
If I had more land, I would definitely plant a nice patch of clumping (NOT running) bamboo to harvest from.
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Post by bestofour on May 6, 2019 7:57:13 GMT -5
brownrexx, Sorry if this has been asked and answered already. The soil temp is between 64-66° and I read that's it's a good temp to plant beans. Do I need to soak them first?
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Post by brownrexx on May 6, 2019 8:13:53 GMT -5
Do I need to soak them first? No, I never soak beans and they germinate pretty quickly.
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Post by bestofour on May 6, 2019 9:00:03 GMT -5
Thanks. Will get them planted this week.
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Post by bestofour on Oct 15, 2019 20:56:23 GMT -5
The bolita beans didn't do very well for me this season but I had fun watching them grow. Some type of worm attacked them late into the growing and the heat and the drought caused the beans to not form in the pods. I'm giving it another try next season and I'm going to grow vining limas (I think they're called Henderson) and some black eyed peas too.
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Post by paquebot on Oct 15, 2019 23:39:01 GMT -5
bestofour, Henderson is a bush lima, not a pole. Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by bestofour on Oct 16, 2019 21:55:52 GMT -5
bestofour, Henderson is a bush lima, not a pole. Martin The truth is more important than the facts. Last year someone gave me some lima beans to plant and I thought they'd be bush beans but turns out they grew like vines. I had planted them in the wrong place for vining and I pulled them up. I thought the bag said Henderson but I guess I'm wrong. I'll have to look into this. Thanks.
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Post by brownrexx on Oct 17, 2019 8:09:16 GMT -5
bestofour, Henderson's Baby Lima is the variety that I grow and I love it. They are a small bean that is very tender and sweet. Yes, they are a bush type but they sometimes send out some runners that can be 2' long but I do not worry about that they just kind of twine together a bit. This variety is a very good one. Once they start producing, they just don't quit. I just picked another batch of them last week when almost everything else in my garden is dead. ahntjudy grows them too.
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Post by ahntjudy on Oct 17, 2019 9:45:25 GMT -5
"Agreed" to the above... I'm largely increasing my plantings of them next year... They are still going strong with plants absolutely loaded with pods...
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Post by bestofour on Apr 28, 2020 19:54:22 GMT -5
My sister, who lives in West Virginia and sent me some black eyed peas, told me it's time to plant them. It hasn't been consistently warm here so I was planning on waiting but her temperatures are a lot colder than mine and she always has a bumper crop sooooo.
I've saved some bolita beans but I'm thinking I'll wait a while to plant those. Hope they do better for me this time.
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Post by bestofour on May 16, 2020 21:26:43 GMT -5
The ground temp is 66° so I was going to plant my bolita beans but I recently read the soil should be 70°. Thoughts?
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Post by brownrexx on May 17, 2020 7:51:51 GMT -5
I never checked the soil temperature for beans but I don't think that the difference between 66 and 70 would be significant.
I am surprised that your soil temp is only 66 with the hot air temperature that you have described lately. Are you only measuring the soil temp only an inch or two down? This is planting depth.
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