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Post by brownrexx on Oct 30, 2019 7:02:23 GMT -5
Do you like apple cider? I have never liked warm apple cider but I really like cold apple cider, especially the one made with no preservatives at my local grocery store.
Hubby likes hard apple cider but I don't so if it sits to long in the refrigerator and starts to have that sharp taste, he will drink it.
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Post by guruofgardens on Oct 30, 2019 8:24:00 GMT -5
I love the hot apple cider, especially on a cold day like today. Warms the tummy and the soul.
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Post by tallpines on Oct 30, 2019 8:27:58 GMT -5
I have a mental block about apple cider!
I LOVE the taste ..... BUT ........
When I think about the process of making apple cider I start to get apprehensive.
I see photos of buckets of apples collected and headed to the apple press. I wonder about the mold that has begun to grow on some of these over ripe, slightly bruised apples. I wonder about the dust and insect droppings that may have accumulated on the stem and blossom ends. I wonder about the worms that are inside some apples and their droppings left behind as they tunnel through the apple.
All of that goes into that FRESH APPLE CIDER!
Yup ...... yet another of my phobias!
(A hundred years ago, I use to work in surgery where sterile technique was top priority. I don’t expect apple cider to be sterile ,,,,, but it should surely be free of mold and insect droppings and parts of pressed worms!)
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Post by octave1 on Oct 30, 2019 9:03:58 GMT -5
I have a mental block about apple cider! I don’t expect apple cider to be sterile ,,,,, but it should surely be free of mold and insect droppings and parts of pressed worms! I never heard of-read about-or known anybody who got sick from drinking apple cider.
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Post by Hensaplenty on Oct 30, 2019 9:57:29 GMT -5
When I was young, my next door neighbor pressed apples to make cider in their wooden cider press. It was an annual tradition, and I enjoyed watching the process and enjoying the cider. Good 'ole days!
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Post by september on Oct 30, 2019 10:04:49 GMT -5
I like either hot mulled apple cider with spices added, or very cold cider with ice cubes. Not luke warm.
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Post by farmerjack41 on Oct 30, 2019 10:20:04 GMT -5
Apple juice, yes. Apple cider no,
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Post by brownrexx on Oct 30, 2019 11:43:48 GMT -5
I never heard of-read about-or known anybody who got sick from drinking apple cider. I never have either now that you mention it. Salad greens are always having problems so I think that we would hear about apple cider if there were problems there. Not only that I would assume that the apples are washed before processing so dust, mold spores and bird or insect droppings would have a good chance of being washed off.
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Post by paquebot on Oct 30, 2019 13:53:52 GMT -5
One can indeed get sick from apple cider and even die. It's a reason why it can no longer be sold unpasteurized. There was a lot of news on it a few years ago in Pacific Northwest. Culprit was e-coli from deer droppings.
Martin
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Post by octave1 on Oct 30, 2019 17:21:27 GMT -5
One can indeed get sick from apple cider and even die. It's a reason why it can no longer be sold unpasteurized. The truth is more important than the facts. What you say may be true, but it's also true that pasteurization prolongs shelf-life. So I am not sure what the main reason for pasteurization would be.
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Post by paquebot on Oct 30, 2019 17:49:22 GMT -5
Here's an early one from the East Coast. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00045558.htmUnpasteurized cider now not legal in many states. Stopped my favorite cider source as that orchard could not afford the required upgrade. Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on Oct 31, 2019 8:26:45 GMT -5
Apple juice is now pasteurized for the same reasons. There was a nasty outbreak of e-coli infections in 1996 linked to Odwalla unpasteurized apple juice: www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-11-09-fi-62903-story.html One toddler girl died and there were several dozen serious illnesses reported, some involving hospitalization and serious kidney problems. I can't find a copy of a news article from that time that says this specifically, but I remember hearing at the time that the well-meaning parents gave the toddler more juice to try to keep her hydrated after her diarrhea started. If that's true, they probably killed her by trying to take care of her. I can't imagine how awful they felt! By 1998 the FDA started requiring warning labels on unpasteurized juice, and I can't remember the last time I saw unpasteurized apple juice for sale. But since the Odwalla outbreak was in the news right when my oldest son was born, the story really stuck with me. I still look for the word "pasteurized" on apple juice and apple cider labels. And yes, tallpines , the big commercial juice & cider processors do wash the apples before they juice them. Most states have regulations that require washing the fruit, and those apply even to small producers. That helps, but if you read the CDC article that paquebot posted, it's not enough. Even disinfecting the apples with bleach before juicing isn't enough. The most common organisms responsible for food poisoning from apple juice and cider are E. coli and Cryptosporidium. The only methods to be sure that they are eradicated from the apple juice or cider are boiling or pasteurization.
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Post by brownrexx on Oct 31, 2019 8:40:29 GMT -5
My local apple cider must be pasteurized and I just never thought about it. I will have to check the label the next time I am at that store. I believe it about the e.coli but I wonder how that gets on apples which are generally up on a tree. Maybe they used dropped apples and they pick it up from the soil? How do we eat raw apples and not get sick? Edit - OK, I just read the article posted by paquebot, and I see that it comes from using dropped apples in areas where manure has been used as fertilizer or in areas where cattle are pastured near the processing facility and workers may have contaminated hands or shoes and bring that contamination into the processing facility. In one case the water used to wash the apples was contaminated. Now I will be sure to check for pasteurization before buying cider. I really never thought about this before.
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Post by paquebot on Oct 31, 2019 11:15:42 GMT -5
brownrexx,if you buy any cider off the shelf, it will be pasteurized. It is not optional as it's an FDA regulation. What tipped the scales was a major outbreak in OR or WA. Look it up in Google or Bing. Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by brownrexx on Oct 31, 2019 15:21:52 GMT -5
paquebot, I just went to the store today and their cider says fresh and no preservatives. I never thought about the pasteurization aspect but in small print right on the label it said flash pasteurized. I guess that I just never thought about it or even read the label.
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Post by spike on Nov 1, 2019 12:26:18 GMT -5
hot mulled apple cider with spices added Never had hot cider so I am intrigued. Got a recipe? LOVE LOVE LOVE the stuff cold.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 1, 2019 17:46:23 GMT -5
hot mulled apple cider with spices added Never had hot cider so I am intrigued. Got a recipe? LOVE LOVE LOVE the stuff cold. We had chopper and press on the family farm and 3 separate orchards. Made lots of cider and the only time we didn't drink it hot was when testing straight from the press. Cider was meant to be a winter drink and thus served hot, sometimes with a dash of rum or brandy. Martin The truth is more important than the facts.
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Post by september on Nov 1, 2019 18:52:52 GMT -5
spike, I don't really have a measured recipe, I just simmer it up in a pan with some or all of these - cinnamon sticks, cloves, allspice, nutmeg.
Some people add strips of lemon and orange peel. Some add a little brown sugar. I don't add any alcohol, but you can add your choice of bourbon, rum, brandy, if you're into that.
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Post by reubent on Nov 7, 2019 22:45:46 GMT -5
I like im fine. But im's gotta be fresh sweet cider (juice) fermentation is a big turnoff.
Now the dollar store apple juice is so dull flavored it's next to worthless, But from a nice sweet/tart apple it's the best. We have lots of apple trees but we've been too slow getting them moved out so they can grow up and produce apples. But I plan to get a bunch of them moved sometime this winter. I moved one larger one last spring and it lived and grew fine.
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Post by paquebot on Nov 9, 2019 13:06:24 GMT -5
Just back from stocking up with apples from a local orchard. They sell unpasteurized cider. They must follow two rules. One is to only hand-pick and only sell direct to consumers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 13:12:19 GMT -5
In the summer, I love apple cider over crushed ice, sometimes cut with a Fresca.Muddle a mint leaf and people think it's fancy!
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