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Post by daylilydude on Aug 1, 2011 10:35:02 GMT -5
I didn't use this stuff, would it be the reason that I got 500ft. ;D vines but no Christmas Lima beans?
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Aug 2, 2011 8:48:41 GMT -5
Dude, I've never not had beans cuz I didn't use inoculant. It does increase yield however.
But another thing that is the cause of lots of vine and no beans is the use of nitrogen (manure) in the bean patch. Did you plant where you had fertilized?
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Post by daylilydude on Aug 2, 2011 8:53:44 GMT -5
Well, I added fish emulsion when I planted them, but that was it as far as fertilizer goes.
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Post by grunt on Aug 2, 2011 10:51:10 GMT -5
That'd do it.
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Post by peapicker on Aug 2, 2011 21:28:33 GMT -5
The purpose of a inoculant is to produce the nodules that produce nitrogen I do not think they serve any other purpose I am having problems also Large healthy plants but no beans I beleive it is heat related
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Post by peapicker on Aug 3, 2011 10:25:51 GMT -5
I now think the large limas like Christmas,Calico,King of the Garden and Prizetaker prefer more northern climates I have never had any luck with any of those.
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Post by izzy on Aug 9, 2011 15:41:54 GMT -5
I now think the large limas like Christmas,Calico,King of the Garden and Prizetaker prefer more northern climates I have never had any luck with any of those. I'm hoping that's not the case: today I planted another row of Christmas limas (and Henderson Bush Limas). I had a 20' row of each this spring, but only got a handful of beans because it was too hot and dry: I couldn't keep up the watering. Let half of my garden go with this drought. I left about 5' of each standing for the summer, and with lots of water, have bloomed continously. I want to know definitively if, in a "normal" year, they will make in my area. One of the worst elements I've had to deal with is stronger than normal winds. Hot dry winds wither the blossoms and blow them away. With any luck, we'll be coming upon a little rainy season this fall, and it will be my last best chance to find out how these limas do. Bush limas normally do well here.
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Post by spacecase0 on Aug 9, 2011 23:38:12 GMT -5
I would guess the no beans is from the heat this year, wait till it cools off, I bet it will set fruit then
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 9:06:01 GMT -5
oopsy think that Nitro did me in, sooooo for my next round- what is the best "Bean" soil (or mix)
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Post by coppice on Aug 13, 2011 7:11:24 GMT -5
what is the best "Bean" soil (or mix) Gennyl are you growing your beans in containers? Never tried that, so I dunno.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 13:09:52 GMT -5
what is the best "Bean" soil (or mix) Gennyl are you growing your beans in containers? Never tried that, so I dunno. Sorry it took so long to get back, I'd lost my way . Anyways yes, I grew them in 22 gallon totes (4 plants per) and did not give them the right attention so I got only a handfull. Next year will be different.
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Post by coppice on Nov 23, 2011 15:13:29 GMT -5
Pole or bush beans? Never tried that. I wonder if pole beans might not be a better deal (IE more beans per plant). I can't wait to hear how other grower weight in on this. Inasmuch as you are talking "new" soil with each go, innoculant might also be in order.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 15:21:46 GMT -5
bush (poles decorative* I threw in the kiddie pool to climb fence & hide neighbor on his deck lol). The totes were dumped into raised beds I am building and will get snowed on this winter . A facelift in spring will help. I had totes for corn, beans, maters and taters. I really had too much in each except the corn I think and drainage holes were too small. Planting in the ground is not an option here due to underground roots from a hundred years of everything invasive.
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Post by coppice on Nov 23, 2011 20:13:51 GMT -5
Genny in this day of HOA (home owner association) covenants forbading just about anything, you don't need to defend your gardening style to me.
If it works for you, I'm fully supportive of your garden.
I've 'guessed' and 'supposed' out to the periphery of what I know about beans for your delight. Lets hope some of our other homely folk stick their spade in this thread.
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Post by grunt on Nov 23, 2011 22:03:58 GMT -5
Just about any half decent soil will do, make sure there is some inoculant in the soil, throw some compost in for feed, and give them something to climb. If you have soil that you know was inoculated, some of that will do to inoculate the new soil.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2011 22:16:37 GMT -5
ty grunt. I'm still searching for a "Natural" innoculant. There must be one as our Great Parents before us surely didn't buy it from the traveling man. I know if I need rooting hormone I just go to the Willow tree as my Grandmother did but I can not remember what she did for beans.
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Post by coppice on Nov 24, 2011 8:56:46 GMT -5
In-ground gardens can and will collect the mycoriza that is used as innoculant providentially. Your dilema for container grown beans is by the time you have built up a resident mycoriza you do want, you've collected too many you don't.
Inna pot you gotta stack the deck in your favor. This probably means store boughten innoculant.
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Post by peapicker on Dec 12, 2011 9:50:56 GMT -5
How did the fall planted beans do Mine put on like crazy before the frost got them I left the Calico and Christmas I had planted in the spring and they produced quit well until frost They however only had one or two beans per pod I am well satisfied with the other limas as I had a bountiful crop The green beans were a total flop
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Post by desertrat on Dec 14, 2011 10:03:13 GMT -5
I've looked for innoculant but can't find it locally for some reason. I used some years ago and didn't see a noticeable difference but thought I'd try it again. I grew Christmas Limas in a community garden a couple of years ago, planted in July. They stood up to our intense heat well but didn't produce till late fall and into Dec. and after. Only got 1 to 3 beans per pod and they certainly weren't quarter sized as advertised but they were VERY good in a pot of soup. Saved seeds but haven't grown them again, maybe I'll try them next fall.
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Post by elliemater on Jun 24, 2014 16:54:09 GMT -5
daylilydude,grunt,peapicker,izzy,spacecase0,@gennyl,coppice,desertrat
Innoculant. I do use it when I can afford it. I end up planting so many beans and peas that inevitably I do run out. I use the one for beans and peas and also use the one for soybeans when planting the edamame. Pinetree Garden Seeds, Johnny's, and some of the other companies sell it. Wait to order until Nov/Dec when they all seem to run shipping specials. I use the powder and roll the dampened seeds in it but also I find the granular in the shaper can (but more expensive) much more convenient.
It does decrease the legume's need for exogenous nitrogen (fertilizer). Plants look good, grow well, and produce well. But it is nitrogen in the nodules, so I wouldn't say that fertilizing with nitrogen decreases yields...it is what the plant is trying to do for itself anyway.
Whether or not the beans and peas produce is really directly related to temperature. Water can help. When it is too hot the pollen dies (beans). When it is too hot for my English, snow, and sugar snap peas, the whole pea vine burns up brown and dies. When the temps get hot, keeping these guys really well watered helps.
And they also seem to like cool feet. So be sure to mulch. The limas and butterbeans are not heat tolerant. A few varieties of beans such as Roma II bush and Rattlesnake pole beans are able to produce in heat better than the others, but they all do eventually have their limit.
Growing in pots does not decrease the yield. Per plant, I have gotten more beans in pots filled with nice rich soil and frequent watering than in the poor sandy ground where the rain keeps washing my amendments down the hill to my neighbor's yard.
These beans on my trellis are growing in 1 gallon pots that have been set onto holes in the plastic mulch. Every year I replace the dirt in the little pots. (Each pot has a stake driven through it) You can see a few of these pole beans are early and climbing already and the rest are ready to climb. They will reach the top and then go across. I will get beans until the heat stops them.
Then I will plant noodle beans in their places!
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Post by pepperhead212 on Jun 24, 2014 18:04:22 GMT -5
Many years ago I did an experiment, growing some beans with and some without innoculant. This was so long ago that I did this with bush beans - I didn't mind leaning over to harvest them back then! LOL It was also before digital cameras had been invented, so I don't have any photos to show the incredible difference it made! Half the row actually looked like something totally different growing. Not only the size of the plants, but the number of beans increased greatly, when using innoculant. Since then, I have always used innoculant when planting legumes
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Post by elliemater on Jun 24, 2014 18:37:51 GMT -5
I like using it because I don't have to fertilize the beans when I use it. I think you can get excellent results without it but you would need better soil than I have and also supplemental feedings.
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Post by horsea on Jun 24, 2014 19:08:49 GMT -5
Elliemater, that is quite a neat and tidy little bean garden you have.
I always have trouble with beans, which I'd attribute to the cold & wet springs we have, not to mention sandy soil. I really ought to try innoculant.
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Post by elliemater on Jun 24, 2014 20:44:23 GMT -5
Elliemater, that is quite a neat and tidy little bean garden you have. I always have trouble with beans, which I'd attribute to the cold & wet springs we have, not to mention sandy soil. I really ought to try innoculant. My soil is very sandy, I am not far from the Gulf of Mexico. Plus the builder spread a load of white beach sand on top of the yard.
But it is true that bean seeds don't sprout well in cold wet and the plants don't really take off until it is warm out. Do you ever pre-sprout your bean seeds? I know some folks in the "nawth," as we say here, do this.
Not counting edamame, I planted bush beans in four different raised beds (only one on its own, the others as companions in a long row), the pole bean trellis, another smaller pole bean trellis against the fence near the bunny bed, throughout the bunny bed in pots, and in the front yard in big pots. Went a little bean crazy this year. heee....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:24:50 GMT -5
I have sandy soil too. I usually use inoculant when I plant my bush and pole beans unless I'm planting in an area that's had beans in it before. I do notice a difference in yield.
BTW Ellie, nice looking garden. Like your trellis.
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Post by pepperhead212 on May 3, 2018 11:55:00 GMT -5
I bumped this old thread up because there are so many bean growers now, and I discovered something good, when I opened the inoculant I got this season.
I hadn't gotten a new batch for a couple of years, but it doesn't totally lose its effectiveness, plus planting in the same row each year, while not good for some things, seems to keep the beans inoculated, as I didn't notice much difference when I ran out one year, for the last third or so. But this season I was planting in a strip where I had never planted beans, so I needed some, and ordered from Southern Exposure. What surprised me was that this was listed as effective for beans, sweet peas, fava beans, lima beans, peanuts, soybeans, and vetch (I probably forgot something!). Most places sell many of these separately, but here, it's all in one! And for $5.50, enough for 8-12 lbs of beans, probably more than I've planted in my life!
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Post by brownrexx on May 4, 2018 9:38:27 GMT -5
I don't use innoculant on my beans because my harvest is already plentiful but I do use it for my peas. They are a difficult crop because I have to get them planted early so that they mature before the hot weather burns them up. However some years, like this one, the weather just seems to stay cold and the peas will not germinate until the soil gets warm enough. This makes the season shorter so I like to get as many pods as possible and I think that the innoculant helps with this.
It's sad but the big healthy plants will still be flowering when the hot weather hits and they wither and die. I think it's worth it though because the peas are so tasty. I never buy them in the store. We only ever eat them fresh or our own frozen ones.
I sometimes grow a Fall crop but they can get powdery mildew in August when it is so humid during the day and the nights are cool.
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Post by pepperhead212 on May 4, 2018 10:43:30 GMT -5
That's why I stopped growing spring snow peas (only fall, now) brownrexx. Sugar snap peas are ok, as it doesn't matter when they pods early, but that is the end of snow peas. Never had those problems with disease, KOW.
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Post by Laura_in_FL on May 4, 2018 11:01:19 GMT -5
brownrexx, I hear you on the short pea season. My pea plants die in mid-May every year no matter how much water they get. Have you ever tried pre-sprouting your peas, or even growing the seedlings to 2"-4" tall in cells and then planting them? That has worked for me to buy a few more weeks of pea season. Though maybe you plant too many peas for this to be practical. I usually don't start peas inside in the spring since I don't have the cold soil problem. However, I do start peas inside in the fall to get them going during the last few weeks of hot weather in September. If I wait until the heat moderates to sow them outside, they probably won't produce before frost. Powdery mildew is definitely a problem with fall peas here, and mildew usually hastens the end of the spring peas as well.
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